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Firebird Database Project Admin Apologises to mozilla.org for Mailbombing

Saturday April 26th, 2003

In an update to an earlier article, IBPhoenix is reporting that Ann Harrison of the Firebird database project has apologised to mozilla.org Staff for "problems a mailbombing may have caused". The apology was made at the request of the Debian project's Jonathan Walther, who has offered to mediate in the dispute. The article also reports that the Firebird Admins and the FirebirdSQL Foundation are trying to open a more formal channel of communication with mozilla.org.


#5 About names, codenames and the new situation

by JuanGonzalez

Saturday April 26th, 2003 7:59 PM

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Minh, I think you were right, what all of us need right now is to calm down. Sigh...

JStarkey wrote:

> "[...] The attitude of a minority of Mozilla members seems to be [...]"

Mr. Starkey, I understand that you and other people are still upset because of the past and long unfortunate situation (trademark issues, spam mail, lack of communication, etc.). But this is a misunderstanding, we think that the things are going fine for all since yesterday, really. About the minority that you mention, like in the Firebird community there are also many people from many countries in the Mozilla community (for example I'm European, sorry for my English), and we as common members give only a variety of personal opinions on these forums, etc. The official position is more unified, although they naturally listen to the people, testers, code contributors, etc. Of course, maybe there is a minority -as you say- who still prefer to use the name Firebird to just Mozilla, but there are different individual opinions always, about trademarks and everything, it's natural. Most people don't care about any names, they only want to go ahead with Mozilla and its new exciting possibilities. (Personally, I even would use any different codename, but I agree that codenames don't have any importance in practice).

For official matters and positions, now it's the time for the two teams (Firebird and Mozilla) to talk directly between them or at least through the mediator. And, from the news, it seems that they are going to do it in the next days. In fact, I'm glad to see that the two teams will be able to communicate normally at last, so that they may solve any last technical details about trademarks, etc., just by talking between them. BTW, thanks again to the third party open source for the mediation.

> "If it's going to be called Mozilla Browser after its release, why not do yourselves and the world a favor and call it Mozilla Browser now?"

Mozilla has two main browsers now, Mozilla Navigator integrated in the current suite (codename SeaMonkey) and the new standalone Mozilla Browser (codename Mozilla Firebird). The internal codename will be used just for practical reasons, to differentiate between the two simultaneous projects in internal development and during a few months, until the new applications replace the old suite, surely from Mozilla 1.5. You may see the roadmap. <http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html>

As the neutral mediator Mr. Walther said, for an internal project, trademark does not apply, and the product names, not the codenames, are the real problem. <http://www.ibphoenix.com/…x&page=ibp_mozilla_jw> This is natural, because codenames are used only for development, they neither appear in the product name, nor in user documentation, nor in icons on the computer desktop, nor in file names, and so on.

Mr. Starkey, I've read that you are a well-known and respected developer, since many years ago, and the creator of InterBase. Therefore, as you surely know well, codenames are only for developers, not for users. Therefore, it seems that there was a misunderstanding because of the contradictory opinions that you can read around. My opinion is not official. (I've tried to help a little with possible codes for some bug or enhancement, mainly #2920, but apart from that I'm just another tester like many). If I'm also wrong, my apologies, others may correct me. The official documents are the reliable source.

In brief, since the new branding document <http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html> , Mozilla Firebird is no more a possible browser name, but only an internal project codename for these few transitional months. Before, several possibilities were considered for the product name: Mozilla Firebird, Mozilla Browser..., even Asa (one of the drivers) mentioned this last possibility time ago <http://www.mozillazine.or…=3075&message=106#106> . Now the product name is only Mozilla Browser, and it will be used as much as possible from now, according to the branding strategy, when there is not confusion with the current browser (Navigator).

Of course, many documents need to be updated little by little. The branding strategy has just been announced yesterday (Friday).

Please remember, in these Mozilla forums, we are common users, testers, and so on, maybe a few busy developers (they are mostly in the technical newsgroups). Now it's the time for the two administrative teams to communicate directly about all the trademark details, even simple codenames if they like. I think everyone expect it will go very well for both open source communities.