some cla-ri-fi-ca-tion.

Chris, thanks for writing that. Now maybe we can all get on with life (right after the Mozilla Firebird brand strings are changed yet again, to read "Mozilla Browser" this time).

the other components (IRC client, Composer, Calendar, Address Book, etc...)

I was really looking forward to using Moz as my Outlook replacement. According to the roadmap, these components were not being droped, only were not part of the initial migration. Hopefully they will still be maintained.

I'm very happy that mozilla staff tries to put an end to the end-less firebird name debate. And after all, "Mozilla Browser" isn't *that* bad, after all -- unless someone (be it open source or commercial) claims copyright on the word "Browser" :-)

Having Mozilla in the name will help "Phoenix" to get more end-user attention than it currently has, and is quite adequate for the fact that MozillaBrowser will (at least in mass market) replace the AppSuite.

Now there's no excuse for the Firebird Database ppl to continue whinging about it!

In the long run, using Firebird and Thunderbird (as code-names) will only confuse users and is bad for marketing, but at least we won't be stuck with them forever.

Prog.

I think the forums names should be changed now. I like Mozilla Navigator much better than Firebird for example and I believe everything went too quickly with these new names.

According to ibphoenix.com (one of the websites of Firebird, the former Borland's, now open source database), a Mozilla developer talked recently of this branding roadmap, that is of Firebird as an internal project codename and not the final browser name, to the neutral third party mediator in the dispute, Jonathan Walther (a developer of Debian, the free GNU/Linux-related operating system). Later, he wrote to the Mozilla staff considering it a fair solution. http://www.ibphoenix.com/main.nfs?a=ibphoenix&page=ibp_mozilla_jw

So, it isn't confirmed yet, maybe there is still any small detail, who knows, but it looks like Firebird (the database) probably will accept it. In any case, thank you very much to Jonathan for his goodwill mission. :-)

Sounds like they realized the name changing was stupid if you ask me ;-)

Much relief tho

Sorry, but firebird and thunderbird are pretty cheesy, so good to hear. Most know the Mozilla name, and it is good and memorable. "Mozilla Browser" is good, simple, and each unit of the suite reinforces the suite name.

"What do you use for email [surfing/whatever]?" "Mozilla." -Perfect.

stylo~

I prefer the "Mozilla" name over "Phoenix", "Firebird" or "Thunderbird". Many people know already what Mozilla is and where to find it. I also spend too many time evangelizing about the Mozilla name, so is better to stay with it ;-) I'm glad to see this streategy, kudos!

"Mozilla Browser" name will help to greatly decrease the confusion (not to eliminate it, because the name "Firebird" will not disappear, but ...)

Our sincere CONGRATULATIONS, Mozilla team. This act has talked nice about you.

Now that Mozilla.org clairifies that Firebird and Thunderbird are just project names I wonder why there was a reason to change the names from Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird(tm) and Thunderbird(tm). I cannot believe that there is a need to have a trademarked name as a project name.

Would it not have made more sense to have kept the original names and clearly state that they are just project names. Maybe this whole thing was a marketing scam from AOL?

Netscape Navigator Mozilla Navigator

This is clear. We are the Netscape open-source product; they fund us, we do their work, they do support and yadda yadda yadda. I don't really know how the relationship works, but whatever. Most people call this "Mozilla." I don't *care* what Mozilla want people to call it, and what they publish it as. It's Mozilla, and it means the whole thing. Moving forward:

Mozilla Browser

Sorry, "Mozilla Browser" is horrible, because they are not distinctly different from their "Mozilla" counterparts. This is because everyone knows what a Browser is. You say "Mozilla Browser", people are going to think Navigator! If you're going to offer a standalone app outside of Mozilla, it can't be called something so general. For these standalone apps you should call them something else, and I don't see the problem with "Mozilla Firebird" for this.

The only way this works is if you only use this for internal representation, and the standalone products stop existing. Fore example, people outside Mozilla don't know what Seamonkey is. Unfortunately I think this is too late. Firebird is a large project, with a large following.

The same thing applies for "Netscape Messenger", "Mozilla Messenger", "Mozilla Mail", and "Mozilla Thunderbird."

Overall a bad call, IMO. We'll just wait and see.

In a knock-down, drag-out, 12-round decision, lizard stomps overheated bird for the world title! See it on pay-per-view. Thrill to semi-compelling testimony from the obsessively partisan. Experience the "shock and awe" factor of those whose comments and conduct leave the idea of good taste but a tattered, soiled remnant.

At the very least we should be able to get it on "Jerry Springer".

This definitally clears things up. What I don't understand is the Flame War that began with this name change. In MANY posts it was stated that it would be called Mozilla Firbird, during the transition period, but the "Anti-Firebird-renaming" and "FireBird Database" people just didn't get it.

The whole "people are going to call in just "FireBird" argument sucks. Why? Because they come here to Mozillazine, and see 'FireBird' mentioned, and go all hay-wired. Like the developers have sayed, it is the new "code name".

So when I discuss Mozilla projects in a MOZILLA forum with other people who are here to discuss MOZILLA, I WILL USE THE CODENAME to clearyly specify what I am talking about. What people don't realize is the general public will still refer to it as Mozilla, or Mozilla "browser".

Personally I think in the general population we will be getting only two names. The browser will be called just "Mozilla" while the mail client will be called Mozilla Mail.

he'll that what most people do now anyway right? Any conference I have been to, or third party website refers to it like this. again, no confussion.

I'm just glad this mess is officially over!

>Perhaps (but this may still bring unnecessary trouble): > >Mozilla Suite (Mozilla SeaMonkey) > >Mozilla Browser (Mozilla Firebird) > >Mozilla Mail (Mozilla Thunderbird)

There's bound to be some confusion whatever way that it gets done (I mean, people post MZ Firebird questions in the Suite forums as it is), but the above would be get my vote