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Firebird Poll Ignites Flames of Passion

Wednesday April 23rd, 2003

The question posed by our last poll was intended to get feedback on 'Firebird', the new name for Phoenix. We got it in buckets. A massive 20,576 people voted — that's over ten times as many as for the new Roadmap poll. The Firebird name is a sensitive issue and we strongly believe that certain parties made concerted efforts to fix the contest. Bearing that in mind, the results of the poll apparently suggest that 30% of voters love the new name, 6% like it, 4% are neutral towards it, 4% don't like it and 12% hate it. 29% of the votes cast were by people who think that mozilla.org should not have picked the same name as the Firebird database and 12% believe that the Mozilla suite should be renamed to Winnebago.

Our next poll will hopefully be less controversial. Tuesday marked the tenth anniversary of NCSA Mosaic, the revolutionary browser that is frequently credited with turbo-charging the growth of the Web. We want to know when you think the best period of post-Mosaic browser innovation took place. Was it immediately after the release of Mosaic, during which a crop of new graphical browsers hit the streets? Was it during in the Browser Wars, when Netscape and Microsoft battled for dominance of the Web? Maybe you think that we're currently in a browser innovation renaissance, with established companies like Apple re-entering the browser market. Let us know what you think and check the up-to-the-second results to follow the poll's progress.


#84 Re: Re: Re: Re: Nonsense

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Monday May 5th, 2003 6:25 AM

You are replying to this message

"Alex, I am talking about the emails that were sent last year when the Firebird name was first suggested."

As far as I am aware, the first emails sent by the database people were sent after the new name was announced on Monday 14th April. I refer you to this part of the interview with Ann Harrison <http://mozillazine.org/articles/article3097.html> :

" Actually, our initial approach was directly to Asa Dotzler. His responses were consistent and unyielding - our legal staff (AOL's legal staff) says we can and we've done it and that's the end of it... By then, I realized that the name change from Phoenix to Firebird had been discussed in the MozillaZine forums at least since December of last year without anyone having contacted us."

That strongly suggests that they didn't know about the change until the name change was announced. If they didn't know then they can't have contacted mozilla.org about it until after the name change was announced. This mailing list message <119/b7gbl2$7fi$1@news2.atkin.com>" rel="nofollow"><news://news.atkin.com:119…<bl2$7fi$1@news2.atkin.com>> also implies that they did not know about the name change until after it happened.

"No, it was not 48 hours later, it was months later. You misunderstood me. I was referring to the original emails sent last year which were completely ignored by mozilla.org when mozilla.org announced that that they had chosen Firebird as the new name."

mozilla.org didn't announce the new name last year, they announced it on Monday 14th April 2003. The orginal request asking Firebird database supporters to email Mozilla people and post in Mozilla forums <http://www.ibphoenix.com/…nix&page=ibp_Mozilla0> (since updated to remove most of the email addresses) was mentioned in a CNET News.com article <http://news.com.com/2100-1032-997089.html> posted on Wednesday 16th April at 6:55am PT. That's less than 48 hours after the new name was announced and hence less than 48 hours after the first emails were sent by the Firebird database community leaders.

Alex