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Firebird Poll Ignites Flames of Passion

Wednesday April 23rd, 2003

The question posed by our last poll was intended to get feedback on 'Firebird', the new name for Phoenix. We got it in buckets. A massive 20,576 people voted — that's over ten times as many as for the new Roadmap poll. The Firebird name is a sensitive issue and we strongly believe that certain parties made concerted efforts to fix the contest. Bearing that in mind, the results of the poll apparently suggest that 30% of voters love the new name, 6% like it, 4% are neutral towards it, 4% don't like it and 12% hate it. 29% of the votes cast were by people who think that mozilla.org should not have picked the same name as the Firebird database and 12% believe that the Mozilla suite should be renamed to Winnebago.

Our next poll will hopefully be less controversial. Tuesday marked the tenth anniversary of NCSA Mosaic, the revolutionary browser that is frequently credited with turbo-charging the growth of the Web. We want to know when you think the best period of post-Mosaic browser innovation took place. Was it immediately after the release of Mosaic, during which a crop of new graphical browsers hit the streets? Was it during in the Browser Wars, when Netscape and Microsoft battled for dominance of the Web? Maybe you think that we're currently in a browser innovation renaissance, with established companies like Apple re-entering the browser market. Let us know what you think and check the up-to-the-second results to follow the poll's progress.


#52 Just lovely

by cgonyea

Thursday April 24th, 2003 2:11 PM

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[quote]They made rude statements about suggestions that did not come from the controlling clique, and the very choice of name was an insult to all Mozilla supporters: clearly they felt Mozilla was dead and that only they could engineer its rebirth.[/quote]

Now we got conspiracy theorists on this web site. Just lovely.

When Phoenix first started, it was more a proof of concept then something that was bent on declaring Mozilla dead. You know, that it was possible to write a browser that is much faster, more user friendly, and takes less space then the current Mozilla suite while still using XUL and other Mozilla technologies so it could be cross-platform. Nothing really different from the other browsers that have been based on Mozilla in the past.

The thing is, Phoenix really caught on, I think much more then anyone (even the devs) could of dreamed. Maybe it was something to do with the strong user friendly focus, maybe it was the focus on the standalone browser, maybe it was the speed, maybe it was the vision. Probably all of the above at this point. Soon people were wishing for a standalone e-mail client that had the same ideas behind it that were driving Phoenix. Enter Minatour (now Thunderbird).

Pretty soon, it was clearly from a technological as well as usability standpoint that Firebird and Mozilla were the future of Mozilla. The popularity of Thunderbird and especially Firebird has shot through the roof. The benefits from the Firebird and Thunderbird development approach are well know and the results speak for themselves.

The Mozilla Firebird developers are not childish. They just defend their creation. Firebird is their project. The problem with the Mozilla suite is the fact that nearly ever suggestion was added to it. Hence the bloat.

The suggestion that the spirit of open source development is being violated is quite frankly not true. Linux has strict control over what gets checked in. No one cries about that. Something not being included into Firebird and you wish it were, but turned down by the developers? Your idea or suggestion will probably not benefit the vast majority of users. Try to write an extension or have someone write one for you that impliments your idea. If you still think your idea is worthy for inclusion, try to get supporters. Write a clear, easy to read statement about why your suggestion/idea should be included. Provide examples of other projects that do a similar idea/suggestion.

Sometimes even open source projects have to be strict on certain things. That is just life. Survey this Mozilla community and I bet 95% of the people will say that they are happy with how things are being run and the direction of the project. No one can be made 100% happy.

[quote] If they want to change the name, they should change it to "Pandora" as opening a box of evilness upon the world is closer to what they have accomplished than a rebirth of anything. Or perhaps they should call it "Jesus' Second Coming" while they are at it and really start some religious wars. [/quote]

I'm sorry you feel this way, but comments like that are way more childish then any single thing the Mozilla developers have said. The community as a whole ignore those who make comments like this. Go find another open source browser if you are really this bitter.