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Firebird Poll Ignites Flames of Passion

Wednesday April 23rd, 2003

The question posed by our last poll was intended to get feedback on 'Firebird', the new name for Phoenix. We got it in buckets. A massive 20,576 people voted — that's over ten times as many as for the new Roadmap poll. The Firebird name is a sensitive issue and we strongly believe that certain parties made concerted efforts to fix the contest. Bearing that in mind, the results of the poll apparently suggest that 30% of voters love the new name, 6% like it, 4% are neutral towards it, 4% don't like it and 12% hate it. 29% of the votes cast were by people who think that mozilla.org should not have picked the same name as the Firebird database and 12% believe that the Mozilla suite should be renamed to Winnebago.

Our next poll will hopefully be less controversial. Tuesday marked the tenth anniversary of NCSA Mosaic, the revolutionary browser that is frequently credited with turbo-charging the growth of the Web. We want to know when you think the best period of post-Mosaic browser innovation took place. Was it immediately after the release of Mosaic, during which a crop of new graphical browsers hit the streets? Was it during in the Browser Wars, when Netscape and Microsoft battled for dominance of the Web? Maybe you think that we're currently in a browser innovation renaissance, with established companies like Apple re-entering the browser market. Let us know what you think and check the up-to-the-second results to follow the poll's progress.


#43 Re: Childishness

by redvine

Thursday April 24th, 2003 11:47 AM

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Childishness is exactly what is the root of all of this. I spoke out against Phoenix on this website many months ago because I perceived the Phoenix leaders to be childish compared to the Mozilla leaders (although there is a large overlap between the two groups if not between the public face and tenor of the two) and I did not like that influence. They made rude statements about suggestions that did not come from the controlling clique, and the very choice of name was an insult to all Mozilla supporters: clearly they felt Mozilla was dead and that only they could engineer its rebirth.

Perhaps they were right, given the new roadmap, but that ignores the whole concept of open source software, which is that groups can do what they want with the code as long as they return their changes to the community. If they are useful changes, the community, in the form of the parent product, will likely incorporate the changes and everyone wins. That is exactly what happened here, we could be talking happy ending, but the Phoenix kids were not happy just patting themselves on the back for what they had accomplished, improving the product; they had to sully the product with their corrupt idea of development (ignore advice, ram their own ideas down everyone's throat), and their corrupt name -- now evolved to "Firebird" for legal reasons.

Meanwhile, a similar forking occurred with another product, with a similar set of yahoos gloating about how they had "saved" whatever... They wanted Phoenix, couldn't have it for legal reasons and settled on Firebird (which still sounds like a car to me).

What the Firebird people forget is that there is something that is more important than the browser software, and that is the community. Making changes that benefit the browser but at large cost to the community are not beneficial. What is needed are changes that benefit both -- or at least benefit one without cost to the other.

Logically, the name should stay Mozilla Web Browser and Mozilla Mail. Besides all of the above, throwing away five years of name recognition is stupid.

If they want to change the name, they should change it to "Pandora" as opening a box of evilness upon the world is closer to what they have accomplished than a rebirth of anything. Or perhaps they should call it "Jesus' Second Coming" while they are at it and really start some religious wars.