IBPhoenix Calls For More Focussed and Courteous Protest Campaign

Thursday April 17th, 2003

IBPhoenix, the FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor who yesterday called for a mass forum posting and emailing campaign in opposition of Phoenix's renaming to Firebird, have reconsidered the scale of their protest. In an update posted on the IBPhoenix front page, the group says: "Yesterday, your voice was heard on their forums and in broadly targetted email. We've got their attention. Now, we should make our argument, simply, cogently, and with the respect owed by one open source group to another."

In a new article published today, Firebird Admin Ann Harrison asks fellow members of the Firebird database community to "stop broadcasting our dismay widely and focus instead on those people who can actually affect the decision." Adding that "the point is not to smother them in accuratory (sic) or derogatory messages", Harrison calls for future emails to be sent only to Mitchell Baker,'s Chief Lizard Wrangler, and Asa Dotzler, who announced Phoenix's new name on Monday.

The statement also includes a plea for civility: "When writing to the Mozilla forum or MozillaZine, use the same courtesy we use with each other in our discussions. Better yet, use the courtesy that we often use when we haven't forgotten ourselves and jumped on a soap-box." As one of the sites affected by this protest, we at MozillaZine welcome this move as a step in the right direction.

Update! Benman writes: "Slashdot has an article on the Mozilla Firebird name debate."

Another Update! The Firebird database project's front page article in protest of the renaming has been updated to remove the list of Mozilla developers' contact details. The announcement now requests that the Firebird database community only post to their own Firebird-general mailing list (which was known as IBDI until it was renamed on Wednesday). IBPhoenix have also modified their original statement to purge many Mozilla email addresses.

#88 Sigh

by Kovu <>

Friday April 18th, 2003 11:14 AM

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Here are the relevant facts, once again, because you choose not to see them elsewhere:

* The name change process was long, and it's over. We don't want to do it again and we have no reason to. * YOU'RE keeping this issue alive by not dropping it. To infer that the only end to this issue is for us to change the name is arrogant, not us standing by our decision. You and everyone else arguing that we should change the name are, in fact, banging your head against a brick wall. Hopefully at some point you'll stop it, but that's up to you. Soon new stories will post at Mozillazine, this one will fall off the page, and the Mozilla community at large will go on as normal with the name Firebird intact. * We're not doing anything to "spite" anyone. The DB folks are not being harmed any more than the BBS folks were before them; they'll get over it or not. I don't really care. * We don't actually care what the Firebird DB people think of the name change, it's not their product and the change ISN'T hurting them. To quote Asa, they were happy with "many" Firebird software products (including Firebird BBS) that coexisted peacefully when they were the most recently named Firebird software product, but for some reason they have a problem with many +1. Oh well - they'll live. * For the billionth time, it can't be "Navigator" or just "Mozilla browser" because we need to differentiate the old from the new especially while the transition between the two is going on. Once the transition is over, maybe the names will be deprecated, maybe not - I don't know, and I don't really care.