IBPhoenix Calls For More Focussed and Courteous Protest Campaign

Thursday April 17th, 2003

IBPhoenix, the FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor who yesterday called for a mass forum posting and emailing campaign in opposition of Phoenix's renaming to Firebird, have reconsidered the scale of their protest. In an update posted on the IBPhoenix front page, the group says: "Yesterday, your voice was heard on their forums and in broadly targetted email. We've got their attention. Now, we should make our argument, simply, cogently, and with the respect owed by one open source group to another."

In a new article published today, Firebird Admin Ann Harrison asks fellow members of the Firebird database community to "stop broadcasting our dismay widely and focus instead on those people who can actually affect the decision." Adding that "the point is not to smother them in accuratory (sic) or derogatory messages", Harrison calls for future emails to be sent only to Mitchell Baker,'s Chief Lizard Wrangler, and Asa Dotzler, who announced Phoenix's new name on Monday.

The statement also includes a plea for civility: "When writing to the Mozilla forum or MozillaZine, use the same courtesy we use with each other in our discussions. Better yet, use the courtesy that we often use when we haven't forgotten ourselves and jumped on a soap-box." As one of the sites affected by this protest, we at MozillaZine welcome this move as a step in the right direction.

Update! Benman writes: "Slashdot has an article on the Mozilla Firebird name debate."

Another Update! The Firebird database project's front page article in protest of the renaming has been updated to remove the list of Mozilla developers' contact details. The announcement now requests that the Firebird database community only post to their own Firebird-general mailing list (which was known as IBDI until it was renamed on Wednesday). IBPhoenix have also modified their original statement to purge many Mozilla email addresses.

#81 I think all this renaming business is silly

by kollivier

Friday April 18th, 2003 9:28 AM

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The name Firebird is nice and all, but it could cause confusion. If two (or more) software products use the same name, it is likely that some people will think there is some affiliation between them. Firebird is not a trademarked name (as far as I am aware), but neither is it common.

Seriously, what the heck is wrong with Mozilla Navigator, Mozilla Mail and News, Mozilla Composer, etc.? I think those names are very easy to understand, and they actually give some real clue as to *what they do*. No one complained about those names while Netscape used them. Furthermore, there is no need for Mozilla to rename projects every time there is a major development change. Otherwise, we can't expect any Mozilla product to keep it's name for more than, say, 3 years.

Phoenix/Firebird is the new Mozilla Navigator. It's that simple. Just call it that and we can all get on with our lives and everyone is happy. (Except possibly for folks who need cool names, whom I encourage to immediately rename their icons and source/binaries after download. Voila! Mozilla Firebird is reborn!)

I highly doubt that Netscape is going to use those names in its suite anyways, so really, what is the point of all this?