IBPhoenix Calls For More Focussed and Courteous Protest Campaign

Thursday April 17th, 2003

IBPhoenix, the FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor who yesterday called for a mass forum posting and emailing campaign in opposition of Phoenix's renaming to Firebird, have reconsidered the scale of their protest. In an update posted on the IBPhoenix front page, the group says: "Yesterday, your voice was heard on their forums and in broadly targetted email. We've got their attention. Now, we should make our argument, simply, cogently, and with the respect owed by one open source group to another."

In a new article published today, Firebird Admin Ann Harrison asks fellow members of the Firebird database community to "stop broadcasting our dismay widely and focus instead on those people who can actually affect the decision." Adding that "the point is not to smother them in accuratory (sic) or derogatory messages", Harrison calls for future emails to be sent only to Mitchell Baker,'s Chief Lizard Wrangler, and Asa Dotzler, who announced Phoenix's new name on Monday.

The statement also includes a plea for civility: "When writing to the Mozilla forum or MozillaZine, use the same courtesy we use with each other in our discussions. Better yet, use the courtesy that we often use when we haven't forgotten ourselves and jumped on a soap-box." As one of the sites affected by this protest, we at MozillaZine welcome this move as a step in the right direction.

Update! Benman writes: "Slashdot has an article on the Mozilla Firebird name debate."

Another Update! The Firebird database project's front page article in protest of the renaming has been updated to remove the list of Mozilla developers' contact details. The announcement now requests that the Firebird database community only post to their own Firebird-general mailing list (which was known as IBDI until it was renamed on Wednesday). IBPhoenix have also modified their original statement to purge many Mozilla email addresses.

#49 Re: You're missing the point.

by choess <>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 10:55 PM

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Because "Firebird" and "Thunderbird" aren't the officially distributed browser/mailnews client yet? Looking back at naming of Gecko-based stuff, the non-descriptive "zippy" names have all been given to subsidiary projects: Galeon, Chimera/Camino, and now Phoenix/Firebird. They're named to distinguish them from the "standard" binaries. The official names of the distribution components are, IIRC, Mozilla Navigator, Mozilla Mail, and Mozilla Composer (plus Chatzilla, DOM Inspector, etc.), mirroring the names of the NS4 components (s/Mozilla/Netscape/). Popular use also follows that for NS4: the browser is "Mozilla" (Netscape) unless there's a need to specifically distinguish it from the other components in the suite. I don't think I've ever heard anyone use "Mozilla Navigator" other than in official announcements; everyone seems to just refer to it as "the Mozilla browser" when necessary. Anyway, what I'm driving at is that once "Firebird" and "Thunderbird" start getting distributed from, I don't see any reason to believe people are going to stop calling the browser and mail client "Mozilla" and "Mozilla Mail" (or "Browser" and "Mailnews", as in Bugzilla). Once they become the trunk, Firebird and Thunderbird are probably going to turn into obsolete codenames like Seamonkey, meaningless to anyone outside of Mozilla development.