IBPhoenix Calls For More Focussed and Courteous Protest Campaign

Thursday April 17th, 2003

IBPhoenix, the FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor who yesterday called for a mass forum posting and emailing campaign in opposition of Phoenix's renaming to Firebird, have reconsidered the scale of their protest. In an update posted on the IBPhoenix front page, the group says: "Yesterday, your voice was heard on their forums and in broadly targetted email. We've got their attention. Now, we should make our argument, simply, cogently, and with the respect owed by one open source group to another."

In a new article published today, Firebird Admin Ann Harrison asks fellow members of the Firebird database community to "stop broadcasting our dismay widely and focus instead on those people who can actually affect the decision." Adding that "the point is not to smother them in accuratory (sic) or derogatory messages", Harrison calls for future emails to be sent only to Mitchell Baker,'s Chief Lizard Wrangler, and Asa Dotzler, who announced Phoenix's new name on Monday.

The statement also includes a plea for civility: "When writing to the Mozilla forum or MozillaZine, use the same courtesy we use with each other in our discussions. Better yet, use the courtesy that we often use when we haven't forgotten ourselves and jumped on a soap-box." As one of the sites affected by this protest, we at MozillaZine welcome this move as a step in the right direction.

Update! Benman writes: "Slashdot has an article on the Mozilla Firebird name debate."

Another Update! The Firebird database project's front page article in protest of the renaming has been updated to remove the list of Mozilla developers' contact details. The announcement now requests that the Firebird database community only post to their own Firebird-general mailing list (which was known as IBDI until it was renamed on Wednesday). IBPhoenix have also modified their original statement to purge many Mozilla email addresses.

#109 Okay...

by Kovu <>

Friday April 18th, 2003 8:32 PM

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I'll respond to your "facts" as you numbered them.

Fact 1: There are ways. We've chosen ours. If you don't like it, I'm sorry.

Fact 2: It's an "opinion" shared by trademark law. ran this through AOL's legal department and came up roses. That law was made to prevent the "harm" you claim we're doing, and yet the law is on our side. If you don't think the law is broad enough (and I've said this elsewhere), write your congressman and take a valium.

Fact 3: You're right, those names are from Netscape. has recently taken a turn to try and not use Netscape trademarks. That's why we changed our splash screen, because it included the Netscape green lizard logo. In short, we're trying to give back to Netscape the trademarks that are theirs.

"I did not mean to imply that the name change was the only end - just that it would be an immediate resolution to the problem, not to mention one that will not really harm the Mozilla project."

And? If someone is feeling down, jumping off a bridge is an immediate resolution to the problem, it doesn't mean it's the right one. We voted on the name, got AOL legal to bless it, and we've already started the wheels in motion. It would do more "harm" to our project to change now than it ever would the DB folks.

If you want formal responses, see Asa's posts. He's a staff member.