Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#86 Ahem

by Kovu <>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 2:49 AM

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""Again, there are MULTIPLE projects, not JUST IBPhoenix, even OPEN SOURCE projects other than the DB project, that use the name Firebird. "<P> All the MORE reason that this name is a bad idea!!"

No, it's what makes it so silly to hear you complaining. Too bad the other Firebird projects didn't give YOU this agony when YOU chose the name originally.

""Why do they wait until now to start complaining?" Perhaps because it was just recently announced?!""

Hmm, NO. We've been talking about renaming, and have been voting, for months now. It's not our fault that you didn't pay attention until the "boo hoo" articles started flying.

"It's hard for me to believe that an Open Source project would make such as decision that could not be undone without due reconsideration called for by a legitimate and significant community."

Being open source communities could really matter less. It doesn't give us anything in common except a desire to create good software for free. The fact is, before we change our name, you're going to have to go harass ALL those other Firebird projects into changing their names first. When you do, we still won't change it.

"The only explanation that I can think of is that this particular Open Source project is too closely controlled by commercial interests."

Nope. The Mozilla community, not Netscape, voted on the name. All AOL did was clear it for us.