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Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET News.com also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.


#69 Re: Re: Re: Why?

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 12:57 AM

You are replying to this message

"if the current Mozilla gets *replaced* by Mozilla FB browser and Mozilla TB Mail, and if the name Mozilla remains, why the hassle to make the name even longer? What is the value of "Mozilla Firebird Browser" over "MozillaBrowser" when there is no danger of confusing things, since Mozilla by itself is not going to stay anyways?"

And that's been a part of our naming discussion from the start. We certainly can't just flip that switch and start calling the new project Mozila Browser while the old browser suite still lives. There's likely to be considerable development happening before we're down to just one browser (we're hosting and developing both today. what do you think would have happened if Phoenix had just been called "Browser" for the last 6 months?). We're not even moving over to the next generation browser until 1.5 at the earliest and even then there's a chance that the old suite will live on, that enough people will want to see it continue that they'll keep it going.

We can't host two very different browsers (which we're doing right this moment) and call them both Mozilla or call one Mozilla and call the other Mozilla Browser and expect there to not be problems filing bugs and doing development work. When we just have one browser in the tree and that's what everyone is developing and using then we will have the luxury of not worrying about confusion between the old browser and the new. We're not there yet, as a matter of fact, the overwhelming majority of resources is and will be for a while longer, still focused on the old browser.

--Asa