Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#192 Re: Tough

by Ded

Friday April 18th, 2003 2:41 AM

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"I happen to work for corporate America, and when programs need to be installed or uninstalled, Joe User doesn't do it. Any corporation with any sense whatsoever has an IT department to deal with that."

James, I assure you, there is life outside rich countries :) Note: significant amount of Firebird users are resident in Brasil and Russia. I work for Bereg Ltg, paper trader #1 in Russia, we have 112 filials on all ex-USSR territory, on the space of 8 time zones and have IT department of 5 mans in headquarters in Saint Petersburg only. We make phone-based support, my head in Petersburg, users eyes and hands in Vladivostok. It usually looks like:

- Press F2. - Pressed. - What do you see? - Nothing. - How many keys do you pressed? - Two. - Release them and press one key at the upper left corner of clipboard.

One of main advantages of our Firebird RDBMS in compare to commercial ones is it is one-click installable and zero-administrated, we usually make support of our applications, not Firebird software. Mozilla guys knocks the ground from under our legs. If mentioned user will install Mozilla Firebird (or ask more advanced friend to make it), I'm doomed to get wrong answers on questions like "Do you have Firebird started?" "In which directory Firebird is installed", "What version of Firebird is installed on your computer". As a result I doomed to listen accusations: "Your damned software don't work, we lose money, for what on Earth do you get your salary?"

Best regards, Alexander V.Nevsky.