Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#187 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hmm

by asa <>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 9:55 PM

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"But suppose someone says (or headlines report) that Firebird 2.0 has been released."

Or better yet, suppose that announces that it has released Mozilla Firebird 2.0 and all the media does exactly what they do now and just copies our headline.

" I think it's clear that you didn't understand there was some depth to the disappointment. "

You're right. I was genuinely surprised that there was absolutely no confusion or disarray in a world with many projets sharing the name firebird but many+1 projects sharing the name is apparently intollerable and cause for flaming and personal insults.

"It comes down to the fact that while this isn't something that will do irreparable harm or anything (and I never claimed it would), it was needless."

If there was no harm or anything, then what was needless was all of the flamage and shrill cries (not to mention the flood of personal insults that were directed at my inbox).

"suppose released a browser where HTTP was broken."

Not gonna happen ;-)

"no-one can pretend it wasn't easily avoidable with a bit of testing. And that's what it boils down to here with the name change as well. Sure sure, nothing broken, but it's not like you couldn't have picked another name. It's not as if there's a great semantic link or association with the word "Firebird" anyway."

If there was no harm then there was nothing to avoid. We picked a name that had a nice association with the prior name, Phoenix, and which wasn't being used by any other web browser. If the harm is all the name-calling and ill will, I think it's unfair to pin that on us.

"Friendly, and not getting personal (unlike some of the others...)."