Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#184 Tough

by Kovu <>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 8:18 PM

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"But, where one point of confusion starts to arise is when a user wants to delete my application. I give them instructions on what must be removed and how to remove those same items to restore their system back to pre-my-software status."

So give them proper instructions. Also, you can have an Uninstall in the Windows apps menu like all other real projects.

"In Windows this involves opening up the Add/Remove Programs dialog."

Not if you have an Uninstall in your apps menu list.

"Now lets suppose that Joe User (my customer with my software on his machine) has had a sys-admin come in and put Firebird, the browser, on his machine. Take that one step further and sys-admin gal forgot to mention this to Joe User. Not unusual?"

Yes it's unusual. Find me the sysadmin who installs Mozilla on Joe User's computer. They don't.

"So, when Joe User reads my uninstall instructions that say, "remove Firebird database system from your computer", do you think he is going to be so careful and actually look through the entire list provided on the "Add/Remove Programs" dialog."

I happen to work for corporate America, and when programs need to be installed or uninstalled, Joe User doesn't do it. Any corporation with any sense whatsoever has an IT department to deal with that. If they don't, and they really request their users to do it for them, they provide step by step instructions to do so. And again, no corporation that I know (at least not one entirely composed of geeks) does this.

"Probably not. Joe, our friend will probably just see the first instance of the word Firebird, remove the associated application, and possibly screw up his computer."

If so, that's because someone didn't give him good enough instructions.