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Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET News.com also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.


#168 And?

by Kommet

Thursday April 17th, 2003 1:49 PM

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First, this is not a replacement. Mozilla is Mozilla. Phoenix is now Firebird as it can't be Phoenix anymore. Firebird and Thunderbird will BECOME the Mozilla Browser and Mail/News components at a later date, replacing the XPFE versions of these components in future milestones.

Second, yeah it got like 5.4% of the votes. But as everyone was asked to vote for their top 5 names, it could NEVER have more than 20% of the vote, even if EVERYONE voted for Firebird (and assuming that every vote followed the rules). The math isn't perfect, but Firebird aparently got a vote from about 27% of the people who voted, compared to Sphinx which got a vote from about 22% of the people or Fox/Phox which got a vote from 17% of the voters.

Of the 274 names on the list you somehow neglected to mention that some 168 of those (like Phalus and Priapus) got a single vote each. In fact, only 24 names got 7 or more votes (votes from more than 5% of the vote-casters). The top 32 names got just under half the votes cast, by themselves.

Now that was fun, wasn't it? Mmmmm... Math...

Still, neither your 5.3% number or any of my numbers above matter a single bit.

Let me return to my original point (which you obviously missed since you decided to quote me percentages) which is that Phoenix is now Firebird. Done. That's it. I only mentioned the fact that it got the most votes to prove that the original poster hadn't done research. "Lots of people disliked it" is a very weak arguement for the claim originally made (not that the name-calling was a strong case), and I was simply offering some counter-proof.

I did get a little off track in pointing out to the original poster that for what little it might matter, Firebird DID get the most votes in a totally un-scientific poll, but where exactly did I claim that the majority wanted to rename Phoenix to Firebird? Where did I claim that was even a valid point to debate?

Firebird is a common word, related to Phoenix and the whole "rise from the ashes" thing that inspired the original name, acceptable to the DEVELOPERS (who are the only ones who REALLY get a vote), prefered in a crappy little poll (for what its worth), acceptable to at least a chunk of the Mozilla/Phoenix community (for what its worth, and I'm not making any claims about the percentages involved), and MOST importantly has the blessing of the folks in AOL Legal.