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Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET News.com also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.


#153 Re: attitude

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 12:31 PM

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"Kovu, your attitude sucks. What saddens me is that you changed the Phoenix name because of complaints from a commercial product and a name is picked from an Open source product so you know they won't have much legal strength to fight it. "

First, Kovu didn't change any names. Second, the name was changed from Phoenix becuase there was a complaint from another _web_browser_maker_. How were we to know that _one_ of the many existing firebird software projects - and there are many that were apparently all living happily together last week - would have such a problem with one more product partially sharing the name. Why accuse us of assuming that there'd even be a need for such discussion, much less a legal fight, when anyone looking at the list of happily co-existing firebird project a week ago wouldn't have found a single mention of conflict or confusion?

That the Firebird database wasn't even close to the first firebird software project (and not even the first open source project) and seemingly saw no conflict in using the already popular English word "firebird" in their name, how was anyone to predict that they'd have such a problem with others using the name?

--Asa