Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#132 Firebird is already taken.

by odonohue <>

Thursday April 17th, 2003 9:30 AM

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Hi Sted

When I install a software package I don't expect to find a car in my garrage. From my (admitadly limted experience) with trademarks just both being in the software industry is enough evidence for customer confusion. So I think your (managements) legal advice that you have clear claim to a trademark is misleading.

We know firebird is used by other related industries. However, 3 years ago, we did deliberately search for a name that was going to cause minimal conflict, in the software and opensource development world - and over the last three years that has proved to be the case.

I find it curious that comming out of a software name dispute over phoenix, your quite happy to start another one with your new choice.

> The poor excuse is that you are making all this comotion becuse you are "hurt" buy your name > being "stolen", when in fact you are just squeezing out every possible ounce of free publicity for > your DB this has given to you. However I would take care so your rabiant attitude and > condoning of DOS attacks doesn't backfire...

I've seen a lot of people over the last three year put in a lot of unpaid work to build up the firebird project to where it is today under difficult circumstances. So yep you bet your life I'm annoyed with someone setting up a campain to try and steal our name just becuase they think they are a bigger fish in the pond.

I personally stuck through using Mozilla all through the 8.X days when every occasion I'd get my mail zapped, etc, just because I prefer to support opensource software.

So currently Im intensly disapointed with the poor attitude displayed by both your management team, for putting together this hijack of our name, and some of the the ill informed comment, by some of your more zealous advocates, such as claiming we actually in this for the publicity. Not my previous experience of using and working with Mozilla.

So think up your your own name, and for pete's sake at least do a google search to see if your going to conflict with someone in the software industry and opensoruce world first.

In my opinion this attitude doesn't bode well for Mozilla's future.