Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#13 Forget legal action

by yschimke

Wednesday April 16th, 2003 1:45 PM

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It really comes down to the fact that this "Open Source" organisation did a sleazy thing. They chose a name that was already in use. They didn't buy this name, they just decided to stomp all over the existing products out there. Does it really matter that there are already 5+ projects with this name, the name of the new mozilla browser is going to stomp all over the existing ones. It's a no-brainer.

If Microsoft called their new "mega hype every magazine has ads" product which is destined to be hugely successful, Postgres, the open source comunity would be outraged. Just because the Mozilla is a popular product and these other ones are largely unknown, doesn't mean the organisation behind it isn't showing itself to be a bunch of thoughtless arseholes.

That the X number of marketing, developers and business people involved in this organisation couldn't come up with an original name and decided that they are legally safe, is pretty amazing. For godsakes they were changing a name because of product confusion with a BIOS maker that could sue, and chose instead a muddled name that is used by people who can't sue.

No way anyone will sue, but at least they have a right to be pissed off.