Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.

#121 Re: Re: Bad behavior

by Sander

Thursday April 17th, 2003 8:23 AM

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>> "We're not here for the end users. We're here for the product, and that is what matters." This statement has got to be the biggest piece of BS that I've ever heard. Could you please explain who the product is for? <<

The _product_ is for the end users (after having gone through distributors). _We_ are not. is not. bugzilla is not. Where end users come back to us with _useful_ feedback (cold hard technical details on problems, automatic crash reports, and very, _very_ rarely an innovative request for enhancement) and give back more to the product then they take (particularly time-wise), they become testers or contributors, and we are most happy to have them. We'll even help them and teach them so they in turn can better help us back. But most end users aren't like that. Most end users only take. Which they are free to do - as long as they limit it to the product. But they're not free to take our time, to think they have _any_ right to demand things of us, to whine in bug and start up petty bickering and make bugs near impossible to be fixed by cluttering them with hundreds of comments that are useless to the actual _fixing_ of the bug.

You know how I know this? By being the first kind of user. I'm most definitely not a developer. I don't have any responsibility for the product. If I see whining in a bug, I can stop reading and go do something more interesting with my time. And yet I'm very much aware of how much whining there is. Can you imagine what it's like for the actual developers?

(And thus the main reason I spend time triaging bugs and helping out answering questions in places like this is to take off some of that load from developers so they can continue spending time on developing this most awesome of products. I might give more to mozilla than I take, but they have given _me_ even more.)