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Reports on Phoenix/Minotaur Renaming Focus on Firebird Database Protest

Wednesday April 16th, 2003

InternetNews was one of the first sites to report on the renaming of Phoenix and Minotaur to Firebird and Thunderbird. Australian site LinuxWorld concentrated on the reaction from the Firebird database community, with claims that posts in "the Netscape-Mozilla newsgroup" (it's unclear exactly which newsgroup this refers to) are being censored. CNET News.com also focussed on the controversy, including a link to a page from FirebirdSQL Foundation sponsor IBPhoenix that encourages people to join the "fray" and add to the "heat in [the MozillaZine] forums". The call-to-arms also lists the email addresses of many of the more prominent Mozilla contributors and suggests deluging them with messages (even though many of the listed people had nothing to do with the name change).

Posts to the forums about the name change should be kept polite and constructive and added to the existing name change announcement topic.

Update! The Firebird Admins have posted a statement about Phoenix's renaming to Firebird on their front page. Stating that they "strongly oppose this change", the announcement follows the earlier IBPhoenix article in asking its readers to declare their objections by posting to Mozilla community forums and emailing various Mozilla developers.


#108 Re: Firebird is already taken.

by STED

Thursday April 17th, 2003 6:13 AM

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> Besides how would you feel if IBM renamed DB2 as Mozilla or Microsoft decided to rename Powerpoint as Mozilla - no name confusion there either!

That is not a correct comparrison. To make it comparable your suggestions would have to be DB2 - Mozilla Powerpoint - Mozilla and I'm sure that the mozilla people would be just thrilled about the HUGE totally free advertising it would give them. And even if they didn't like it they wouldn't condone a DOS attack on either of the companies like you have over at FB DB.

> I can see mozilla users ending up at firebird.sourceforge.net looking for information on mozilla-firebird

But you can't see your DB users and moz users alike ending up att <http://www.firebird.com> or .org or .net? Talk about confusion there...

> I can see package confusion occuring on most linux distributions. install which firebird rpm?

I use Gentoo and I would just write "emerge dev-db/firebird" or "emerge net-www/firebird" (or more likely "emerge net-www/mozilla-firebird")

What crappy linuxdist do you use where you can't tell a browser from a database before you install it?

> I don't want to spend the rest of my life explaining to people that firebird (our project) is not a web browser.

Did you consider adding a FAQ to your webpage... It's not like "FIREBIRD" just spells "DATABASE" in every persons head across the world.

> So overall, the fact that the lawyers say you can get away with it, is a poor excuse

The poor excuse is that you are making all this comotion becuse you are "hurt" buy your name being "stolen", when in fact you are just squeezing out every possible ounce of free publicity for your DB this has given to you. However I would take care so your rabiant attitude and condoning of DOS attacks doesn't backfire...