Phoenix and Minotaur to be renamed Firebird and Thunderbird

Monday April 14th, 2003

Asa Dotzler writes: "After months of discussion and further months of legal investigation, we're finally comfortable moving forward with new names. The new name for the Phoenix browser is 'Firebird'. The documentation and product strings will be updated soon. In addition to securing Firebird, we've also got the OK from those contributing legal resources to use the name 'Thunderbird' for a mail client. Hopefully this will be the end of naming legal issues for a while."

#91 Whiners: Note!

by Kovu <>

Tuesday April 15th, 2003 4:51 PM

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Firstly, Firebird and Thunderbird are fine names by me.

Secondly, if they're not fine names by you, there's nothing you can do about it. Oh wait, you can bitch about it, but that's about it.

Thirdly, these names went through AOL legal, so there's no "oh the DB guys can't sue that's why you're using it". AOL legal would not have approved these names if there was any potential for legal problems no matter how small the group that used the name.

Lastly, yes, the names need to change from "Mozilla" Look at the Apache project. There are like dozens of apps that are now under the Apache "brand", not just the Apache Web server. They need different names to differentiate projects from one another. The whole revolution of GRE boils down to this: "throw out the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink-app". That being done as it is, the different apps that will result NEED to have different names to AVOID, not CAUSE, confusion. Oh, and Navigator is a Netscape name, not Mozilla, and I'm glad to see it go back to Netscape.

Honestly, as a result of all this, I would not be surprised to see the return of Netscape Navigator (right now it's buried in the "everything-and-the-kitchen-sink Netscape version of the everything-and-the-kitchen-sink" Mozilla), and I can hardly wait. Those who might say "Well you can install just the browser"; well sort of, but it's not truly just Navigator. Navigator will be the first version of Netscape to not include Gecko if the proper GRE is already installed on the user's system.

Anyhow, that's my two dollars.