Phoenix and Minotaur to be renamed Firebird and Thunderbird

Monday April 14th, 2003

Asa Dotzler writes: "After months of discussion and further months of legal investigation, we're finally comfortable moving forward with new names. The new name for the Phoenix browser is 'Firebird'. The documentation and product strings will be updated soon. In addition to securing Firebird, we've also got the OK from those contributing legal resources to use the name 'Thunderbird' for a mail client. Hopefully this will be the end of naming legal issues for a while."

#63 I suggest

by netdemon <>

Tuesday April 15th, 2003 11:03 AM

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I suggest you go listen to Boris as an example of how to sound arrogant, judgemental, and not back up your blanket statements with facts. I have worked on this project for years, and have contributed a significant amount of my time and have done a lot for the project. The main thing he is speaking about is my conversations on IRC, but he is simply showing his lack of tolerance. Within the past year and further, I haven't done anything on Bugzilla to waste people's times, and although some bugs I have filed might be unecessary in some people's opinions -- they are usually valid, and are useful in most cases. Some, such as the "Mozilla donations" bug I filed, have legal issues to sort out before being persued. It doesn't make them irrelevant. On the other hand, bz's attitude has angered and alienated a lot of outside people on Bugzilla and newsgroups. His personality is what I consider militant, and stems from arrogance, insecurity, and power hunger. Yet, a lot of things I have been talking about for a long time that Mozilla needs -- such as documentation -- are lacking, and none of the main developers are doing anything about it -- thus shunting their responsibility. Boris says he is interested in documentation, but I haven't seen much from him in the two years he has known enough about Mozilla to write it.

It boils down to the fact that there are a lot of politics in the Mozilla project -- of which I don't play part in, yet Boris does. Yet, in the end -- he and others are just alienating themselves. I guarantee that as time goes on, a lot of the main developers will move on, yet I will still be around.