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Phoenix and Minotaur to be renamed Firebird and Thunderbird

Monday April 14th, 2003

Asa Dotzler writes: "After months of discussion and further months of legal investigation, we're finally comfortable moving forward with new names. The new name for the Phoenix browser is 'Firebird'. The documentation and product strings will be updated soon. In addition to securing Firebird, we've also got the OK from those contributing legal resources to use the name 'Thunderbird' for a mail client. Hopefully this will be the end of naming legal issues for a while."


#182 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why start name-confusing betwe

by ogiesen

Thursday April 17th, 2003 6:03 AM

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"Oliver, what do you name "childish attack"? Our appearance at Mozilla forums asking to don't use the name of our widely used RDBMS?"

No, this is just the kind of behaviour I welcome. I was talking about orchestrated "mail-bombing" of Mozilla Admins that appeared to be taking place from what I hear. Maybe my impression is wrong but in some posts it sounded as if someone even set up a web form to allow people to send a prepared "petition" to Asa et al. I must admit that in the meantime I gathered some information that put all this a little bit into perspective and I probably would word that post less harshly now but I still think some of the things that seem to be going on on the FB front are inappropriate.

I'm completely with you with your concerns and I also wish for the Mozilla team to find a different name (see the first paragraph of my previous post). But accusing the Mozilla team of "stealing" and going on about "our name" is simply wrong. As Asa pointed out repeatedly, there are quite a few other projects sharing that name already (an idiotic argument to defend the name IMO but still a valid reaction to the theft charges). Theft is not the problem. The problem is (among others) that matters will get extremely confusing and complicated for users and especially for support scenarios like the one you quoted.

The argument that Asa and others recently started stressing that it will not just be "Firebird" but "Mozilla Firebird" is also bogus IMHO. This will only solve the packaging issues. I don't think a single person will go to the lengths of actually *saying* "Mozilla Firebird" out loud in any context other than for distinguishing it from the Firebird DB. I never heard anyone *talk* about "Mozilla Browser" either. It's just "Mozilla" to everyone. Further specification is only done when talking about "Mozilla Mail".

As the "official" dialog has now finally started I just hope it ends unanimously and with a real new name for Phoenix...