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Friday March 21st, 2003

Netscape Evangelism's Doron Rosenberg writes in with news that Netscape DevEdge has just launched Strategy Central, a collection of case studies, articles and presentations on the benefits of using Web standards.


#1 About the Powerpoint presentation

by wolruf

Friday March 21st, 2003 3:20 PM

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Nice Powerpoint presentation, some arguments are interesting to convince managers and execs (who only listen to PPT), that's a good basis, let's add more ideas and key arguments (bullet points) that really matter to a manager.

#2 About the Powerpoint presentation

by flacco

Friday March 21st, 2003 3:40 PM

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Still, HTML versions would be more accessible and consistent with principles.

#3 Re: About the Powerpoint presentation

by mlefevre

Friday March 21st, 2003 4:06 PM

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yes, but if you going to stand up in front of a room full of people, I find it's better to have a bunch of slides, rather than putting up a URL and inviting everyone to check out your fine HTML pages later...

#4 A bunch of slides... with CSS

by tepples <tepples@spamcop.net>

Friday March 21st, 2003 7:40 PM

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Then why can't you do slides with CSS media="projection" <http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html> ?

#7 Re: A bunch of slides... with CSS

by mlefevre

Saturday March 22nd, 2003 9:31 AM

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well it's a nice idea, and it might even be possible, but I haven't ever seen it done in practice. will mozilla handle paged "projection" media in a useful way? if not, sounds like a good idea for a project... but it would be silly to outlaw the existing methods while you wait for someone to come up with a tool that's more in keeping with the project...

#13 html + css +javascript presentations

by jgraham

Sunday March 23rd, 2003 4:34 PM

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Well, you could do something like this: <http://mozilla.org/events/lugod/> <http://zeus.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~jg307/work/muon.xml> <http://eu.mozdev.org/Brussels2003/talks/>

(this may be irrelevant - I haven't looked at the original presentations, but it is certianly possible to create a presentation in html + css + javascript)

I should also say that it's very encouraging to see Netscape promoting standards like this.

#11 Re: Re: great

by lama <lasse@lama.no>

Sunday March 23rd, 2003 3:31 PM

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#5 ESPN standards compliant?

by tanjit

Saturday March 22nd, 2003 3:21 AM

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In the article "Netscape DevEdge Launches Strategy Central", you say that ESPN launched a standards compliant site. But I couldn't find a single valid page! What's going on?

#8 Re: ESPN standards compliant?

by cgonyea

Saturday March 22nd, 2003 9:37 AM

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I think if I remember reading right in another article that the ESPN site validates except for the advertisements code that they are forced to display from MSN. If it weren't for that (good luck getting MSN to use standards-complient code!) ESPN would validate 100%.

#9 Re: ESPN standards compliant?

by mlefevre

Saturday March 22nd, 2003 10:40 AM

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also, from this article, it's clear that they've only switched the home page so far. the story pages are still being worked on, and will become compliant later...

#10 Re: ESPN standards compliant?

by tanjit

Sunday March 23rd, 2003 3:10 AM

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The "only MSN advertisement" argument: If the page doesn't validate, it doesn't really matter why. And it's not true, anyway. There are other validation errors that don't have anything to do with advertising. For example, the BODY element already has validation errors - illegal attributes topmargin, leftmargin, marginheight, marginwidth.

And of course requiring javascript does nothing for accessibility (which is another W3C standard).

Regarding the "only the home page" argument: mozillazine wrote "ESPN recently launched a standards compliant website" - which clearly is not the case. Truth in advertising and all that.

Of course it's nice that espn is going in the right direction. But until they're actually there, we shouldn't get too excited. There's a big difference between good intentions and final results.

#12 validating vs. "good html"

by jesse <jruderman@hmc.edu>

Sunday March 23rd, 2003 3:51 PM

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I think it's more important for the HTML to be "good HTML" than it is for it to validate. "Good HTML" includes tables only used for tabular data, tabular-data tables marked up well, classes favored over inline styles, good order and alt text for text browsers, ...

My reasoning: any browser has to be able to deal with invalid HTML to survive on today's web, but violating the other rules leads to accessibility problems and makes the HTML less maintainable.

#6 ESPN standards compliant?

by tanjit

Saturday March 22nd, 2003 3:21 AM

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In the article "Netscape DevEdge Launches Strategy Central", you say that ESPN launched a standards compliant site. But I couldn't find a single valid page! What's going on?

#14 reporting problem sites

by Nivag

Monday March 24th, 2003 4:17 AM

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Hi,

Is there anywhere to report problem sites that mozilla has problems with. The problem may well be at the site, rather than Mozillla. However, it would be good to be able to report such sites, Also, it would be an idea to be able to have a place to look up problems sites to get an idea as to why there is a problem, and any possible work arounds.

An additional advantage would be that the Mozilla group may be able to contact such sites and gentle encourage them to be compl;iant to the appropriate standards.

Regards,

Gavin For example I can not get anything meanigful from http:"//euronews.net". I am running Mozilla 1.3 from a Linux box.

Another proble site is "linuxtoday,com", which does display, but takes way too much time to render (it used to be ok) - despite the facy that I have a 2GHz processor and 512Meg RAM and a 5.6K modem.

#15 Re: Reporting problem sites

by Ascaris <ascaris1@att.net>

Monday March 24th, 2003 5:34 AM

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> For example I can not get anything meanigful from http:"//euronews.net". I am running Mozilla 1.3 from a Linux box.

That URL is a broken link to some kind of media file. Both IE6 and Moz 1.3 handle this the same way on my XP laptop.

> Another proble site is "linuxtoday,com", which does display, but takes way too much time to render (it used to be ok) - despite the facy that I have a 2GHz processor and 512Meg RAM and a 5.6K modem.

I cannot imagine that slow rendering would be a function of standards compliance. More than likely, your ISP was, or is, having a problem, or the Linuxtoday server was. I just tried it now and the page fully loaded in about 30 seconds at 28.8.

Frank

#16 Re: reporting problem sites

by mlefevre

Monday March 24th, 2003 9:49 AM

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you can file bugs in bugzilla under "tech evangelism" - <http://www.mozilla.org/pr…cts/tech-evangelism/site/> . those bugs in bugzilla also serve the other purposes you suggest...