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Chimera Renamed to Camino

Monday March 3rd, 2003

The Mozilla-based Chimera browser for Mac OS X has been renamed to Camino™. This change was made for legal reasons involving the existence of an older, unrelated browser for UNIX-based systems called Chimera. Camino 0.7 will be released shortly.


#1 Is it still called Navigator?

by mozuser

Monday March 3rd, 2003 7:17 PM

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Now that the name has been changed, does the application still call itself Navigator?

#14 Re: Is it still called Navigator?

by mbokil

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 9:11 AM

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I would like to have a Grande Camino with some super sized fries please.

#33 Re: Is it still called Navigator?

by sconest

Thursday March 6th, 2003 6:11 AM

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No, it is now called Camino

#2 rewrite history

by amutch

Monday March 3rd, 2003 7:17 PM

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It's funny that the home page has attempted to erase all existence of Chimera, even to the point of talking about the release of 0.6 Camino. What? There's no such thing. It was and is called Chimera. Is the legal wicket that sticky that you can't even mention C*****a?

#3 Re: rewrite history

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Monday March 3rd, 2003 7:23 PM

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"Is the legal wicket that sticky that you can't even mention C*****a?"

Chimera is actually mentioned at the bottom of the Camino page <http://www.mozilla.org/pr…requently_asked_questions>

"It's funny that the home page has attempted to erase all existence of Chimera, even to the point of talking about the release of 0.6 Camino. What? There's no such thing. It was and is called Chimera."

I think they just did a global Search and Replace.

Alex

#5 Re: Re: rewrite history

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Monday March 3rd, 2003 7:38 PM

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Seems that someone's noticed as the page has been updated.

Wonder if they'll notice that it's "trademark reasons beyond our control" and not "copyright reasons beyond our control".

Alex

#4 Phoenix = Firebird?

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Monday March 3rd, 2003 7:30 PM

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Great, so while we're in the automobile spirit, let's rename Phoenix to Firebird! Woo hoo!

#9 Re: Phoenix = Firebird?

by pirat

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 1:26 AM

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Eh, with Firebird ( <http://firebird.sourceforge.net/> ) open source relational database on radar? ^_^

#6 Meanwhile, MS Announced....

by Dracos

Monday March 3rd, 2003 9:31 PM

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That all future versions of MSN Explorer for Mac would be called Ranchero.

#7 Hasn't Camino been used before?

by 4rent

Monday March 3rd, 2003 10:35 PM

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errr... wasn't Camino the i820 chipset? Wouldn't that be a problem?

#8 Re: Hasn't Camino been used before?

by james

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 12:44 AM

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the i820 is not a web browser. (it is not even a piece of software)

#26 Phoenix BIOS

by tepples <tepples@spamcop.net>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:29 PM

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"the i820 is not a web browser"

Unless, of course, it comes with a Phoenix BIOS :-)

#27 Re: Phoenix BIOS

by james

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 2:22 AM

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In which case the chipset still isn't a web browser.

#28 Hasn't Camino been used before?

by 4rent

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 2:51 AM

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Well Pheonix BIOS is getting closer to having it though (at least internet access without the OS).......

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/29374.html>

#10 Re: Hasn't Camino been used before?

by mlefevre

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 5:19 AM

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yes it was. shouldn't be a problem because a) it's a chipset not a browser and b) it's not a trademark and c) Intel stopped calling it "Camino" - they only refer to it by the real name on their site. it's also an obsolete product now - they don't make it any more - so very unlikely they'd care that someone else used the name. there's just no potential for confusion. and AOLTW's lawyers apparently agree, because one of the biggest hurdles with choosing a new name was getting it through the legal people, and this name made it through. after running into problems with Mozilla, Chimera and Phoenix, I think they're going to be pretty cautious by now...

#18 Re: Re: Hasn't Camino been used before?

by bandido

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:51 AM

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Was the term Mozilla ever questioned. Never heard of that. When Netscvape was founded they used Mosaic and that was challenged and they changed to Netscape. I read somewhere that the Mozilla name actually came from that Mosaic vs Netscape conflict. Being Mozilla slang form Mosaic Killer (Mos Killer became Moz killa and eventually Mozilla). The dino came after that because it sounded similar to Godzilla).

#23 Re: Re: Re: Hasn't Camino been used before?

by mlefevre

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 3:11 PM

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Mozilla certainly was questioned. The owners of the Godzilla (and various other -zilla) trademarks threatened legal action over the Mozilla name and an agreement was reached with AOLTW (who own the mozilla name) in order to keep the name, with certain conditions.

#11 Now Mozillazine needs to catch up...

by MarkHB

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 6:15 AM

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All the links in the build bar still look like Chimera to me....

#12 Re: Now Mozillazine needs to catch up...

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 6:59 AM

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"All the links in the build bar still look like Chimera to me...."

The 'Releases' link is still Chimera because Chimera 0.6 is, well, still Chimera 0.6. The 'Nighties' link was updated shortly after this article went up.

Alex

#13 "Caminante no hay camino, se hace camino al andar."

by nick <nick@reloco.com.ar>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 7:02 AM

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Camino developers may say that. =)

#35 Re: "Caminante no hay camino, se hace camino al an

by martrootamm

Saturday March 8th, 2003 9:20 AM

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And what would that line's meaning be in English?

#37 It's a very well known poem

by nick <nick@reloco.com.ar>

Wednesday March 12th, 2003 8:34 PM

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It's been made a song also (by Serrat). Here's a translation of a short piece of it: <http://www.unhooked.com/poetry/caminante.htm>

#15 What?

by kalle

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:01 AM

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Just when I had learned that they WEREN'T the same!

#16 Trademark?

by garfieldbond

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:10 AM

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It looks like the browser is now named Camino(TM), just to make sure no one else lays claim to the name :) Does anyone have a link to the trademark filing?

#17 Re: Trademark?

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:24 AM

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It's just a TM trademark, not a (R) registered trademark. You can claim a plain TM trademark just by using it (though the presence of a TM symbol does not guarantee that a claim is legitimate); registration of an (R) mark is not compulsory but it can place you in a better legal position.

<http://www.uspto.gov/web/…ac/doc/basic/register.htm>

Alex

#19 Couldn't a better name have been selected????

by PaulB <pbergsag@home.com>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 10:52 AM

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What does the name Camino say about the quality of the browser? When I first heard the name I first thought of a schizophrenic horrible vehicle nobody wanted from the 70s which didn't know if it was a passenger vehicle or a pickup truck---ugggh. I would have hoped something better such as Mercury, messenger of the Gods. A name such as Mercury would convey speed and other "god-like" qualities for the browser. Instead with the name Camino we are reminded of an ugly car few wanted when they were new and the image it invokes only brings down the browser.

Come on. Don't you think you could have done better naming the browser????????? You want the name for the browser to convey quality, not a discarded ugly car design....you may have simply named it Edsil (sp).

Copyright issues or no copyright issues Chimera still needs a new name. :) Paul.

#21 Re: Couldn't a better name have been selected????

by hitokage

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 12:09 PM

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Mercury is already taken by an e-mail server program - see <http://www.pmail.com>

#22 seeing as you didnt contribute a suggestion BEFORE

by joschi

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 12:55 PM

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then you have no say now, deal with it.

#24 They weren't

by googolplex

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 5:54 PM

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They weren't soliciting suggestions before.

#25 oh.

by joschi

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 8:17 PM

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i thought they did...

#29 Re: They weren't

by bzbarsky

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 2:54 AM

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Yes, they were. They stopped soliciting them when they really had to release whatever-it's-called _yesterday_ and they had a reasonable candidate ("camino"). The name problem was mentioned in n.p.m.seamonkey and on various discussion boards weeks before that....

#36 It just happened later in Mozillazine...

by martrootamm

Saturday March 8th, 2003 9:26 AM

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As I am just following Mozillazine and not any other message board / news source, then the news did come a bit later to me. I don't remember or know if Mozillazine was explicitly soliciting for any Chimera-new-name submissions here, as it was for donations, which it needs more. But I do remember a fairly lively discussion about name changes and possible candidates just in that same discussion environment here.

#20 If they are going with a Spanish name...

by nick <nick@reloco.com.ar>

Tuesday March 4th, 2003 11:54 AM

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Why not just using "Quimera"? =)

#30 http://sourceforge.net/projects/camino/

by dgil

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 11:16 AM

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#31 Re: http://sourceforge.net/projects/camino/

by amutch

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 11:24 AM

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it's not a browser

#34 http://sourceforge.net/projects/camino/

by dgil

Thursday March 6th, 2003 11:12 AM

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Yes but it is a French project and for France's laws the two names are for a software and it matters a lot !

#32 Better if renamed when 0.7 came out?

by rkl

Wednesday March 5th, 2003 1:19 PM

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The title says it all - renaming a product without actually releasing a (new or at least just renamed) version of it at the same time surely leads to user confusion. 0.7 is "due shortly", so it would have been wiser to rename the browser then. -As people have said, what do we call the 0.6 version now, since it's the latest/current release of, er, Chimera/Camino/whatever?