MozillaZine Readers Give Their Verdict on Safari

Sunday February 2nd, 2003

Last time, we asked you what you think about Apple's new KHTML-based Safari browser for Mac OS X. 1,979 readers shared their opinions with some interesting results. In a close call, 10% of you think that Safari is better than Chimera, while 11% believe it's not as good. Meanwhile, 23% want to know where the tabs are, reflecting the popularity of what many now see as an essential browser feature. A worrying 13% of you are sticking pins in your Hyatt voodoo dolls, perhaps suggesting that you're taking this all a little too seriously. Finally, 40% of you want one of Apple's new PowerBooks, which were also introduced at Macworld San Francisco. While this doesn't tell us whether the 17-inch or 12-inch model will be more popular, it does possibly indicate that many MozillaZine readers are largely apathetic towards Apple's new browser.

Our next poll was suggested by me (that's someone calling themselves 'me', not me as in the person writing this article). We want to know which of the components of the main Mozilla suite you use. Obviously we can't cover every possible combination, so pick the option that most closely matches your usage pattern. This poll also features the return of the 'telnet to port 80' option, which is back by popular demand. Get voting and keep watching the latest results to see what others think.

#64 Re: oh please

by jgraham

Thursday February 6th, 2003 3:05 PM

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Listen. Please stop this. The idea that more developers would have made the browser better is clearly wrong. From dbaron's weblog:

"Why is Mozilla's layout engine so big and complex? Perhaps the simple answer is that there were too many people available to write it, and they wrote as much code as they could."

(apologies if I offend anyone by quoting that. For the full context, read the full entry: <> )

Now, if you want a web browser that browses alone, use Phoenix. It seems to be designed specifically to address the issues that you relentlessly bang on about. It is *only* a browser, you'll have to use another mail client, there's no composer, no chat, no calendar, no JS debugger, no DOM inspector, *nothing* except a browser (which is a problem for the people who use those things). It has a nice cut down UI that addresses some of the problems in the Mozilla one. In fact it does everything that you are advocating. So please stop this wittering, stop making sweeping generalisations to support your points and stop critisicising someone else's project unless you plan to do something about it. That's what open source is about after all - it's not about having nightly builds or having an open-to-the-world bug database, it's about providing the source code so that *anyone* can add subtract or otherwise transform the code to meet their needs. You are quite free, right now, to take the source code, split off the browser component and market it to companies as mBrowser or something. Please spend your time doing this rather than going on about how everything would have been better if only it had been left up to you.