Trunk Freezes for 1.3 Beta Tonight

Tuesday January 21st, 2003

The main development tree will freeze for Mozilla 1.3 Beta tonight at 11:59pm Pacific Standard Time. The freeze will remain in effect until 1.3 final is branched. During this time, only checkins that have been approved by will be allowed to land. The ideal release date for 1.3 Beta is Friday 24th January. Watch tinderbox for the latest tree status and consult the Roadmap for further information about the release schedule.

#1 Bugzilla question

by pepejeria

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 8:20 AM

Is it possible to search in bugzilla for bugs that have the "blocking1.3b+"?

#2 Re: How to search for blockers

by schapel

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 8:30 AM

Go to and select "Flag / is equal to / blocking1.3b+" in the Advanced Querying Using Boolean Charts at the bottom of the page.

#4 blockers

by mlefevre

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 9:28 AM

well someone already posted the method, but for the lazy, the list is

and the list of bugs waiting to be assessed (blocking1.3b?) is

#3 2003/1/19 nightly corrupts downloads

by flacco

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 9:03 AM

not sure if it's in bugzilla, but i d/led openoffice 1.0.2 three times using moz, and the files were corrupted. then i tried with wget and got a good copy.

#5 Re: 2003/1/19 nightly corrupts downloads

by sgifford

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 9:32 AM

At various times in the past, Mozilla has had problems automatically uncompressing files without telling you. For example, a .tar.gz file will be gunzipped, but will still keep the .tar.gz filename. These are usually easy to work around if you know to expect them. You can search Bugzilla for words like "download" and "corrupt" to find other bugs that might be causing this.

If your download corruption doesn't match any of the bugs already filed, shut down Mozilla, get the latest nightly, create a new profile, and try again. If you can still reproduce the corruption, file a bug in bugzilla.

It sounds like a lot of work, but it will only take about half an hour, and in the end you'll either understand your problem, or else you'll be helping get an important bug fixed.

Good luck!

#6 Bug that needs fixing before 1.3b

by jrepin

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 12:15 PM

There are problems with entering non-english text info some text fields. Look at bugs

I think they are talking about the same problem and should be merged. Or there should be some RFE bug that is blocked by these two.

#7 This is earlier than expected :-)

by DeepFreeze3

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 1:50 PM

January 24th. A couple of weeks early. Way to go, Mozilla community!!

#8 Re: This is earlier than expected :-)

by bandido

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 3:37 PM

You are confused. What they are doing tonight is FREEZING the trunk for 1.3BETA (exactly as scheduled). The 1.3beta uideal release is on the 24th January but Mozilla has never relaeased a Milestone on the ideal date, shich is just that, ideal, NOT written on stone. Look at the Roadmap table located at

#9 Who's "confused?"

by DeepFreeze3

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 4:11 PM

Actually, I'm not "confused" at all. I was talking about how great it was that the trunk was frozen earlier than expected. Up until that time, we'd all been told that 1.3's release date was being pushed back to sometime in March because lots of things had been going on at the time. This latest news is an indication that the schedule is back on track. I didn't say that 1.3 was coming out on January 24.

#12 Re: Who's "confused?"

by mlefevre

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 5:41 PM

"trunk was frozen earlier than expected". no, it's right on schedule according to the roadmap.

"we'd all been told that 1.3's release date was being pushed back". we had? who told you that? the dates were pushed back, in December, by a couple of weeks - 1.3b's release date to 24 Jan, and 1.3's date to 21 Feb -

this freeze is on time for the pushed-back schedule, nothing early about it...

#14 Whatever ...

by DeepFreeze3

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 10:25 PM

Somebody here posted a news item (a couple of weeks ago) saying that 1.3 had to be delayed. I forget who it was. In any case, they were able to make up the time & get back on schedule.

#21 Re: Whatever ...

by schapel

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 8:45 AM

It was delayed. Stevie Jobs and Safari had something to do with it, someone said. I don't remember who. In any case, Opera 7 is turning out fine for me. Glad to see we're back on track. Try it out!

#25 Re: Re: Whatever ...

by asa

Thursday January 23rd, 2003 12:51 AM

"It was delayed. Stevie Jobs and Safari had something to do with it, someone said."

was that a joke?


#22 Re: This is earlier than expected :-)

by bandido

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 9:25 AM

Yes, you are still confused about. Early in December Asa informed that 1.3B work was going to be extended 2 additional weeks to compensate for the lost time during the Xmas holidays. (in other words, that is old news and the decision was made public quite a while ago). The roadmap ALREADY reflected the time adjustment for the 1.3b freeze, as Asa informed all, and it has been posted like that for weeks now. I still don't get the fuzz about it. Version 1.3b freeze happened as scheduled, PERIOD. Chimera, Phoenix, Safari have nothing to do with it.

#24 Re: Re: This is earlier than expected :-)

by schapel

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 10:12 AM

Oh, so we have Stevie Jobs at Apple announcing Safari that we have to thank for this news? Great! Keep up the great work Stevie!

#10 Ive kinda lost track of the 1.3 series...

by ph1nn

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 4:35 PM

What are the main improvements? Any speed improvements? thats the main thing cause everything else works nice

#13 Re: Ive kinda lost track of the 1.3 series...

by ezh

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 6:07 PM

Yep, it will be noticeble faster!

#11 My wishlist for 1.3

by Tar

Tuesday January 21st, 2003 5:04 PM

bug 182997 - "showItem("context-copy") should check isTextSelected"

Got patch, waiting for reviews :/

Also there's this crasher bug when closing tab and then scrolling with mouse wheel, haven't checked wether it's know bug, but I surely hope so.

Another bug that's getting on my nerves is 75866 - "Viewing message for very short time shouldn't mark it as read" Also 157372 - "enhancement: multiple smtp/pop3 accs per set of folders"

And some lower priority things that should be fixed in the near future:

#15 enough features, long bugfixing period necessary

by weberjn

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 2:35 AM

I find Mozilla has enough features, I don't miss anything (Really!). The only thing I miss is stability. I hate having to switch to IE because Mozialla crashes (unreproduceably). So I think there should be a feature freeze for half a year or so and only be bugfixing. At the moment there are 21910 new, assigned or reopened Bugs of Severity normal or higher in Bugzilla.

#16 Re: enough features, long bugfixing period necessa

by jsebrech

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 3:53 AM

That's tough, but personal experience. I use mozilla 1.2.1 in both win2k and debian and I NEVER have it crash on me, unlike IE which has its odd moments of instability. Again, personal experience. I wonder what kind of configuration you run that makes mozilla so crashy for you.

Personally, I miss a decent UI. Every single mozilla theme sucks. Modern doesn't fit in with anything and takes up too much screen real-estate, classic has really ugly icons (to the point of getting on my nerves), and they all share the trait of having too many menu's and a way too complicated preferences dialog (although I believe that last bit isn't part of the theme). Plus, all themes except for modern and classic lack polish (no offense to the theme writers, it's just a LOT of work creating a full theme). And when am I going to be able to split a tab into a new window, or change the order of tabs on the tab bar by dragging them around? Too bad phoenix is just a browser, or I'd use that (it's not ideal, but it's better). But I need the whole she-bang. So, I'd rather see more work going into the UI.

But then that's selfish isn't it ;)

#17 Re: enough features, long bugfixing period nec

by weberjn

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 6:22 AM

Well, the number of open bugs in Bugzilla isn't a personal experience, is it ? ;-)

#18 If we're going to count open bugs...

by leafdigital

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 7:12 AM

...then we end up in MozillaQuest territory. And we don't want to go there.

The number of bugs reported is a sign of good testing, not poor stability. In any case, you counted the wrong figure: if you are considering stability, you should be searching only for crash bugs. Look for keyword 'crash' and select your OS plus 'all'; for Windows there are 388 right now, which is still a large number, but it's not thousands.

Mozilla rarely crashes for me, either (well, except when I'm running dubious nightly builds). I mean it crashes less than IE, and I'm not saying IE crashes often either, that's also very rare.

If you want real stability data you'd have to know the Talkback results. I have no idea what those look like.


#19 Talkback data summary

by Tar

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 7:47 AM

Topcrashers for MozillaTrunk by build date for 10 days worth of Talkback data

#23 the perfect browser is near

by weberjn

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 9:39 AM

Maybe I should have formulated my point more positively:

IMHO between now and the perfect browser there are no new features but only bug fixing left (the crash bugs and some others like 58724 and 39057, which are both over two years old).


#20 Re: enough features, long bugfixing period necessa

by Tar

Wednesday January 22nd, 2003 7:58 AM

Internet Explorer theme is nice and clean IMHO and IE icon pack plus some wicked tweaking for it

For tabs wish there's:

For me there's ~118 bugs currently that if fixed would make Mozilla 99.99% perfect but that isn't going to happen in the near future and Mozilla still is awesome as it is, and getting better with every CVS commit :)

#26 My Wishlist for the Near Future:

by peterlairo

Thursday January 23rd, 2003 7:14 AM

bug 32157 [RFE] Title tips (tooltips) for cropped text (probably the biggest UI *blooper* in mozilla) bug 91662 Long strings in mail header cause scroll bars and attachment window to disappear, making message unviewable. (very visible bug - second biggest mozilla blooper) Bug 16489 Password Protection of Profiles (much asked for by regular folk'. Has patch!) Bug 62429 Replying with the "start my reply above the quoted text" pref on should prepend the signature above the quote text. (top) (Frequent corporate standard. Bearable if bug 141531 is fixed too) Bug 73567 Ability to select from multiple signatures (global / per account?) ( has a decent patch for this) Bug 155882 Tasks (ToDo) need an Alarm (just like Events) (I actually use Tasks MUCH more than Events) Bug 177279 Alarms don't fire under certain (very common) conditions (what good is a calendar if the alarms aren't reliable?) Bug 180029 Running junk mail controls manually should respect preferences (This would consummate an already AWESOME feature)