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Junk Mail Controls Can Now Automatically Move Spam

Wednesday January 15th, 2003

Peter Lairo writes: "Another major milestone advancement for Mozilla: automatic move of junk mail! Woohoo!" The fixing of bug 181394 enables the 'Move incoming messages determined to be junk mail to' checkbox in the Junk Mail Controls dialogue. Messages are not yet moved if Junk Mail Controls are manually run.


#1 Extending the Fileter System

by kc7gza

Wednesday January 15th, 2003 10:32 PM

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I am curious, are there any plans to extend the junk mail filtering system into a generic filetering system? I have heard wonderful things about how great it works, and I would love to have "work", "personal", "xulplanet", "prefbar", "stupid forwards" and "spam" folders in my mail system and have every incomming email automatically placed in the correct folder. That might require a slight reworking of the underlying formula (acutally, now that I think about it, it probably wouldn't), but the reault would be a totally awesome AI filetering system like no other mail client in the world (at least none that I've ever heard of). I'd even help make it work if there was interest.

-- Aaron Andersen <http://www.XulPlanet.com/aaron/>

#2 Re: Extending the Fileter System

by kc7gza

Wednesday January 15th, 2003 10:33 PM

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Stupid comment system; killed all my hard returns. :)

#5 Re: Extending the Fileter System

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:05 AM

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Yes, actually, there are plans. Even better, there is code. The super-cool folks at Sun China (a Mozilla development team of about 40 people) have implemented something very much like this. I hope to see it getting review and landing in cvs.mozilla.org soon.

--Asa

#6 oops, forgot bug number

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:10 AM

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it's late. i swear I pasted this in but I guess not. <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168905> is the bug that covers this work and contains the initial patch.

--Asa

#7 Trunk or branch?

by MozSaidAloha

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:57 AM

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Will all of this be found in the trunk or branch builds?

#8 Re: Trunk or branch?

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 10:03 AM

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It's a safe bet that nothing interesting and new will be found on the branch.

--Asa

#3 It does not work on occasion

by johann_p

Wednesday January 15th, 2003 11:49 PM

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Strangely, some of the emails marked as spam did not get moved (4 out of the 32 I received until now)

#4 Junk Mail Controls Can Now Automatically Move Spam

by sgposs <sgposs@cableone.net>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 12:53 AM

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Has anyone know just how many manhours are lost per year just deleting all this stuff? This could prove to be the greatest productivity tool yet invented. Seriously, this could be a very big time saver and these efforts are much appreciated.

Then, if the next version could only it could stop all the credit card solicitations I get via snail mail, we might have a few forests left before the year 2005!

#9 Re: Junk Mail Controls Can Now Automatically Move

by mbokil

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:03 PM

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Studies have been done on this kind of thing and in reality corporate environments don't receive that much spam and it doesn't really cause the companies receiving spam much problems at all. It is more of a problem for home consumers.

#10 Re: Re: Junk Mail Controls Can Now Automatically M

by SubtleRebel <mark@ky.net>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:09 PM

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I would be inclined to disbelieve any study like that.

I receive just as much, if not more, spam at work as I do at home.

#11 What studies?

by nicka

Thursday January 16th, 2003 1:24 PM

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Please cite your source

#12 ???

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 2:57 PM

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mbokil said: "Studies have been done on this kind of thing and in reality corporate environments don't receive that much spam and it doesn't really cause the companies receiving spam much problems at all. It is more of a problem for home consumers."

What studies? Point me to them. Recently published data that I've read would say otherwise. <http://australianit.news.…nbv%5e15306-15318,00.html> points out that US companies lost about US $4 billion dollars in wasted time just deleting spam and lost an additional $3.7 billion in costs of additional servers and bandwidth plus even more costs for companies that provide helpdesk support to annoyed workers.

And it's getting worse. This report of a recent study <http://boston.internet.co…article.php/10852_1570161> suggests that corporate spam jumped 150% in 2002 over 2001. "In some cases, as many as eight out of 10 e-mail downloading into corporate in-boxes was spam, squandering valuable employee time and stressing IT systems. Some messages also contained viruses, that, if unleashed could result in additional costs. For most corporate accounts the average is about six out of 10."

Sure doesn't sound like they agree with you that it's "doesn't really cause the companies receiving spam much problems at all".

--Asa

#15 study on corporate spam

by mbokil

Thursday January 16th, 2003 4:08 PM

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Here's the article I read on spam in the corporate setting. not being that significant <http://www.linuxsecurity.…privacy_article-6336.html>

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to badmouth the Mozilla junk mail features. I use the junk mail features in 1.3b now but I don't get very much junk sent directly to my mail box since most of it get filtered out by spam filters I already have on the mail server. In other words spam filters applied on the client side of a corporate email system are not that significant. Filters on the mail server side are more important in your first line of defense against spam.

I think were spam is becoming a problem is the larger html layout ads sent out to consumers which is waisting resources at the router level for ISP's and sucking up bandwidth in general which could be better used for research or ecommerce activities by consumers.

#13 Opting out of snail mail credit card offers

by lazytiger

Thursday January 16th, 2003 3:35 PM

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Actually, you can do this quite easily. Just call this number: 1-888-5OPTOUT (888-567-8688). This will get you off the mailing lists of the three credit reporting agencies: TransUnion, Equifax, and Experian.

#14 Re: Junk Mail Controls Can Now Automatically Move

by TheK <kl@3dots.de>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 3:54 PM

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I get around 1 Mail every 2 hours - counted over the Year I loose around 2 work-days, maybe more.

#29 Killer feature...

by jonik

Monday January 20th, 2003 3:37 PM

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Yeah, this thing rules, no mistake. With this in place I think I'll be using Mozilla exclusively (instead of Kmail and (trusty old) Pine) to read my IMAP mail... At the moment Mozilla recognises about 90% of the spam I get and it's only getting better at it :)

#16 Doesn't work at all on the Mac

by PaulB <pbergsag@home.com>

Thursday January 16th, 2003 7:45 PM

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Has anyone else experiened a crash when trying to access the Junk Mail log. When I click on the junk mail log Mozilla quits and I have to relaunch the application. This means that the Junk mail filter is usless for me.

BTW I am using Mozilla 2003011507 (MachO) MacOS X 10.1.5 on a B&W G3 350.

#17 Doesn't work at all on the Mac

by peterlairo <Peter@Lairo.com>

Friday January 17th, 2003 12:14 PM

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What is so *essential* about looking at the junk mail log as to render the coolest feature since Tabs "useless"? Seems a silly reason to me!

#19 well if......

by PaulB <pbergsag@home.com>

Friday January 17th, 2003 6:31 PM

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Well you might fell okay about blindly trusting the spam filter to move only spam and not the mail you want to read. I would like to check the filter log first to verify what it is and is not moving.

#22 Re: well if......

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Saturday January 18th, 2003 12:03 AM

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"Well you might fell okay about blindly trusting the spam filter to move only spam and not the mail you want to read. I would like to check the filter log first to verify what it is and is not moving."

Or you could open the folder where you moved the spam and look at it.

--Asa

#18 Doesn't work for me.

by afx114

Friday January 17th, 2003 12:49 PM

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Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030115 Junk mail gets classified fine, but it won't move to the Junk folder automatically. I installed over 1.3a, could this be why? Are there any new prefs.js settings that I could add to make it work?

#20 False positives?

by vocaro <trevor@vocaro.com>

Friday January 17th, 2003 7:32 PM

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For those who have tried this feature, have you encountered any false positives? (That is, non-spam messages accidentally marked as spam.) I'd love to use automatic filtering, but I'm concerned about losing legitimate messages to the spam pile.

Trevor

#21 Re: False positives?

by mbokil

Friday January 17th, 2003 9:17 PM

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yah, it happens once in awhile but it is no big deal. I just scan the spam mail folder once in awhile to see if I missed anything. I found that all my email coming from etrade and netbank was getting marked as junk mail. One solution was to add the email addresses of the emails that are accidentally being moved to your address book and then select the option to not mark messages in your address book.

#24 Re: Re: False positives?

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Saturday January 18th, 2003 12:15 AM

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" I found that all my email coming from etrade and netbank was getting marked as junk mail."

Did you mark them all as not spam by selecting those etrade and netbank mails and selecting Tools->Mark selected messages as not junk? I heard of someone having some of this kind of mail marked as spam and it stopped after the user trained the filter that it wasn't spam. Marking "not spam" is just as important to training as marking "is spam".

--Asa

#23 nope. not one.

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Saturday January 18th, 2003 12:12 AM

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I've done a fair amount of training of both spam and not spam. When I first enabled the tool I had a folder of collected several thousands of spam messages from a few weeks before the feature was available (anticipating the feature landing) and I had about 15,000 not spam messages (all my folders of catagorized mail). I trained on those messages and I haven't had a single false positive in almost two months of use. I get a few hundred messages a day and the filters are up to about 92-93% success at catching spam.

--Asa

#25 Re: False positives?

by WillyWonka

Saturday January 18th, 2003 8:40 AM

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Yes. Five or Six.

It normally happens when 1) My isp sends me one of their mass mailings to let me know of their new features. 2) Someone who has never emailed me before sends me a message.

It's the second one I'm most worried about.

#26 Microsoft Outlook has been doing this for years

by prowsej

Saturday January 18th, 2003 8:45 AM

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For years MS Outlook has been able to route messages considered junk to the folder of your choice. It does this reasonably well and with a good interface. This feature in Mozilla is a good one, but not a new one.

#27 Re: Microsoft Outlook has been doing this for year

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Sunday January 19th, 2003 7:20 PM

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How does Outlook do this? I haven't seen any intelligent (learning) junk-mail controls in Outlook ever. Please say a little more than "Outlook does this" and actually tell us what Outlook does, how successful it is, and how people can actually get the Mozilla functionality from Outlook.

--Asa

#28 Notification of only non-junk emails?

by neilcreek <neil@creek.name>

Sunday January 19th, 2003 9:54 PM

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This is a fantastic feature, and I really appreciate it! It's great having spam automatically moved out of my in box. I've had very few false positives, and by making them as non junk, I'm elimnating that problem.

The one thing that I think is still needed is to tweak new mail notification. I leave my mail client open all the time, and as new mail is downloaded, I am notified with a tone and the popup status window at the bottom right. Unfortunately, I am still notified, even if all that has been downloaded is junk. The junk emails have been identified as such, and already moved into the junk folder. Obviously, I don't want to be notified with I get junk! Could it be possible to cause the notification only when a non-junk email has been downloaded?