Judge Orders Microsoft to Include Sun Java in Windows

Monday December 23rd, 2002

US District Judge J Frederick Motz has issued a preliminary injunction forcing Microsoft to carry Sun Microsystem's Java Runtime Environment in its .NET-enabled products, such as Windows and Internet Explorer. In a three-day hearing, Sun successfully argued that Microsoft attempted to marginalise Java by shipping an incompatible version of the language with Windows. The order — which will remain in effect until Sun's private antitrust case against Microsoft is settled — is designed to prevent the market from tipping in favour of Microsoft's .NET technology in the near future. The judge fears that should this occur during the duration of the trial, Sun may never again be able to regain its current competitive position. Microsoft plans to appeal.

Slashdot has links to several articles about the decision. You may be interested to hear that Judge Motz is also presiding over Netscape's private antitrust suit against Microsoft.

#11 Re: Re: toss up

by spage

Friday December 27th, 2002 2:47 PM

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> I just would like the Java language to improve.

It has, in leaps and bounds, but M$oft still ships a crappy old version, so developers either have to support that, or tell users to install a better version, or bloat their application by including it themselves.

> If Java would perform well enough on the desktop, there would be a number of large applications that would bundle a JRE.

There are lots. I have TogetherSoft's Control, Oracle, Sybase Anywhere, and several others on my machine. But bundling a JRE is awful. Last time I checked I had 6 java.exe's on my Windows machine.

> The fact that I'm not aware of such applications says more about the quality of Java

No it doesn't. Java is a benefit to DEVELOPERS, not users. It lets developers write their application once in an advanced cross-platform language with a rich run-time support layer, and then run (after some testing) on many different platforms. That, much like Mozilla XP and XUL, is an arrow at the heart of Microsoft, which would love every developer to HAVE to write a Windows application, then a Mac version nine months later, then a Linux version 6 months after that, then recompile the Solaris version 2 months later, etc., etc.

> than about the market dominance of MS.

Get a clue. The antitrust trial established as a FACT OF LAW that M$oft has an illegal software monopoly. Therefore as a remedy they should be compelled to offer alternative technologies as part of their O/S bundle. It's good for users, good for developers, good for other platforms... good for everyone except M$oft, holders of an illegal software monopoly.