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Mozilla's Global Usage Share Now at 1.1 Percent

Monday December 16th, 2002

Tyrannosaurus Moz writes: "According to OneStat.com, Mozilla has achieved 1.1% usage, up 0.3% from 0.8% in September. If you count Netscape 7 as Mozilla (it is) then Mozilla-based browsers now control about 1.7% of the Web browser market." Internet Explorer is still the number one browser with a 95% usage share but Mozilla has now overtaken Opera as the third most popular browser, behind Netscape (all versions) with 3%.


#71 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cool your jets, Sonny Jim

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Wednesday December 18th, 2002 10:37 AM

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" Well, kind of.. More exactly, my complaint is with Netscape (the end user product), but since the developers are (not all, but most) the same for Mozilla as for Netscape and the two are essentially the same thing (code wise and developer wise), it's just semantics to complain about Netscape and not Mozilla. Either way, it will be the same people with the same schedules working on them and the bug fixes will first find their way into Mozilla and then into the Netscape client. "

If your complaint is with Netscape then complain to Netscape management. Complaining about Mozilla and Mozilla developers because you're unhappy with management decisions within one (yes, a large one) company contributing to Mozilla is just silly.

" Obviously. But that's not the choice I'm talking about. I'm talking about the choice of "should we add Bayesian filters or polish up the UI?"."

So, again, you're unhappy that Netscape management put their employees on a feature that you don't consider as important as polish or UI cleanup. Complain to Netscape management. Complaining about Mozilla and Mozilla developers becuase you're unhappy with Netscape's management and the decisions they make about the work they require of their employees is a waste of time. I doubt that Netscape managers even read these discussions so what you effectively do is talk to Netscape developers working on Mozilla telling them they're working on the wrong thing while their bosses tell them to work on something else. When they're off the clock and contributing as individual volunteers maybe they can listen but I doubt that they need to hear from you that they should be focused on polish.

If, on the other hand, you think the solution is for staff at mozilla.org to turn down these features being contributed by Netscape as some kind of forcing function to get them to contribute polish and cleanup fixes then you're just wrong. If mozilla.org says no to these features (features that are highly desirable to a pretty hefty majority of the community of developers and testers) then they'll just land in Netscape's code tree with two undesirable results: Mozilla would be shorter on features and Netscape would be far less well tested, stable and bugfree. You seem to want Netscape to be of higher quality and think the best way to do that is to kibitz to the Netscape developers who don't get to make those decisions. If you're really concerned about the quality of Netscape then pushing them out of Mozilla and into closed source commercial development is not a productive path.

" I know several people, including AOL employees, who refuse to switch to Mozilla Mail and keep running Netscape 4.x because of UI quality and functionality quirks."

And I know several people, including AOL employees, who refused to continue using Outlook or OE and switched to Mozilla or Netscape mail because of a lack of features and high risk of spreading a virus. There's a tradeoff between polish and features. Maybe since you fall in the "polish not features" camp you can build a community of like-minded folks to remove a dozen or two features from a fork of Moz Mail and really polish up a much smaller and easier to manage simple mail reader with no advanced functionality. Or you could go on complaining to some Netscape developers about their misplaced priorities rather than communicating with Netscape management who actually make most of those decisions for their employees.

" I beg to differ. This site is about advocacy and conversation regarding Mozilla. My comments and others in response to mine are exactly what this site is about."

Wait, didn't you already admit that your beef is with Netscape and you're just using Mozilla as a backdoor to the Netscape developers you hope to convice to work on something other than what their management demands of them? Something like: "More exactly, my complaint is with Netscape (the end user product), but since the developers are (not all, but most) the same for Mozilla as for Netscape and the two are essentially the same thing (code wise and developer wise)". Yep, that's what this site is all about for sure. MozillaZine, your site for complaining to Netscape mangement through their developers about Netscape management decisions you don't agree with. Maybe the site title should be changed.

--Asa