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John Dvorak Uses Mozilla

Thursday December 12th, 2002

Michael Grant writes: "John Dvorak of PC Magazine has written a favorable article praising Mozilla. He says it is the browser he now uses." Referring to Internet Explorer, Dvorak says that "Microsoft has simply dropped the ball." He also highlights Opera as a high-quality browser.


#1 Ok

by Racer

Thursday December 12th, 2002 1:39 PM

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Good article. He forgot to mention tabbed browsing, cookie blocking, and the fact that Mozilla has a very extendable interface which already has in its ranks many useful programs- including those which add mouse gestures. I guess the idea that Opera already supports the Pocket PC is nice, but Mozilla appears on many different platforms as well.

#2 Ok

by Racer

Thursday December 12th, 2002 1:59 PM

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Good article. He forgot to mention tabbed browsing, cookie blocking, and the fact that Mozilla has a very extendable interface which already has in its ranks many useful programs- including those which add mouse gestures. I guess the idea that Opera already supports the Pocket PC is nice, but Mozilla appears on many different platforms as well.

#3 Off-topic question :-)

by free_thinker

Thursday December 12th, 2002 7:18 PM

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Why does John C. Dvorak no longer appear on any TechTV programs? Just curious. :-)

#4 John C. Dvorak

by bmacfarland

Thursday December 12th, 2002 9:40 PM

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John C. Dvorak is a Ziff Davis writer and TechTV used to be ZDTV (for Ziff Davis TV). I'm guessing there isn't a contract there anymore since Ziff sold off TechTV.

#5 Dvork 85% for Mozilla, but still 15% in Opera

by DeepFreeze3

Thursday December 12th, 2002 11:58 PM

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The article came out a couple of weeks ago. If anybody can get those critics to shut up about Geko-based browsers not being up to par with IE, it'd be John Dvork. He isn't on any side but his own, it damn honest & tells it like it is. Glad to see he's not on Microsoft's side. Did he rip them a couple of new ones, or what???!!! HA, HA!!! Who says the written word isn't mighter than the sword? He needs to stop dabbling in Opera, and come over to the Mozilla side. He'd be much happier than he is now if he did.

PS: Did anybody even watch TechTV?

#6 Microsoft's dropped the ball?

by DJGM2002

Friday December 13th, 2002 12:14 AM

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They've never even had it in their grasp!

#7 He's right, IE is Stagnating

by mesostinky

Friday December 13th, 2002 1:01 AM

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That is the word for IE. Where is the innovation? Internet Explorer has been in maintenance mode since version 4 came out. This is what happens with monopolies. Microsoft did its thing by "choking off Netscape's air supply" and once they achieved market dominance they stopped improving their product. I mean look at their R&D budget. Your telling me with all those billions Microsoft's big innnovation for IE in the past several years is what? Privacy Zones and an insecure/unsafe browsing experience? I'd love to see Internet Explorer's sloppy aging codebase try to deal with a properly coded Internet. It would be puking all over itself. Today it only manages to get by because of those who keep helping it stay on its crutches.

IE wins by default because it get shipped with 95% of all computers sold today. But now Mozilla and its offspring have show just how little innovation Microsoft has done with IE. Its clear now who is the leader and who is doing all of the innovation.

Of course being a better browser won't get Mozilla on people's desktops. Let's hope that A) people keep spreading the word about the best browser for the Internet B) Mozilla keeps getting better reviews with each release and C) AOL/Netscape steps up the plate and finally starts doing some OEM deals. There is no reason why Netscape shouldn't be shipping with Dell's and Compaq's. Especially since MS is allowing for this in the new XP sp1 "Program access and default's" feature. That feature is our key into the Desktop and Netscape needs to start taking advantage of it now!

IE is dead, Long live Mozilla.

#8 opinion

by morg

Friday December 13th, 2002 1:40 AM

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It's just my opinion, but I don't think Microsoft can technically improve upon their existing IE codebase to match Mozilla. There's too much cruft in the code they've got. I think they will have to start from scratch, like Mozilla did 4 years ago.

As the Internet inexorably moves farther and farther down the road of XML and the new generation technologies, IE will be less and less able to hold market share.

The future belongs to Mozilla.

#9 pcweek.de - IE 7

by flacco

Friday December 13th, 2002 4:53 AM

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I think there's an article there with rumors of IE 7's latest innovations: tabbed browsing, half-assed pop-up blocking, and themes.

Microsoft Innovates Again!

#10 Re: pcweek.de - IE 7

by sime

Friday December 13th, 2002 5:15 AM

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If it is true, mozilla has say a years (I only started paying attention on 0.9's) experince in developing/buidling on tabs, killing pop ups and themes.

#11 Re: Re: pcweek.de - IE 7

by sime

Friday December 13th, 2002 5:16 AM

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themes are older than that i think

#13 URL

by rgpublic

Friday December 13th, 2002 11:44 AM

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If anybody is interested, I found the article (german) at: <http://www.pcwelt.de/news/software/26780/>

Some thoughts: I'm wondering: What does "Office spelling check / thesaurus" within IE mean? And: If IE7 is really detached from the OS (as claimed in the article) this could be a chance for Mozilla, because right now it is difficult to explain why Mozilla seemingly takes "extra" loading time. And it would be easier to remove IE, he he. No matter how they turn it, they'll lose in the end, cause Mozilla is technologically far superior. In fact, they already lost, because even Mozillas / Netscapes little market share has been enough so they couldn't turn the web standards to some proprietary thing.

#14 Office spelling check/thesaurus

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Friday December 13th, 2002 3:12 PM

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"Some thoughts: I'm wondering: What does 'Office spelling check / thesaurus' within IE mean?"

I believe it means that if you've got Office (and hence its spell checker) installed, you'll be able to spell check things such as data entered into textareas. Possibly even with red wiggly underlines.

Alex

#12 In all fairness...

by bmacfarland

Friday December 13th, 2002 9:54 AM

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I think there are extensions to get tabbed browsing into IE, pop-up blocking is available via add-ons, and Neoplanet.com has been able to skin IE to some degree for quite a while. Even if Mozilla didn't exist, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for Microsoft build these in to put these companies out of business.

Then again maybe I'm just bitter because Win XP has a firewall built in that prevented me from sending files over any instant messagers. Took me over 6 months to figure this out. And here I thought that the only firewall I was running was ZoneAlarm.

#15 how can you know ?

by wolruf

Sunday December 15th, 2002 12:45 AM

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"There's too much cruft in the code they've got" how do you know this ?

#16 look at their copyright page

by morg

Monday December 16th, 2002 2:43 PM

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I think it's obvious. Dvorak pointed out that IE was built with parts from several different browsers that Microsoft bought.

Microsoft must have rewritten a lot of IE in assembler. That would explain IE's speed. It must make the maintainability of IE hell, though. Just like early versions of Lotus 1-2-3, right before Lotus got blown out of the water by Excel. With the increasing prevalence of 2Ghz+ CPUs, the speed difference will be less and less noticeable. Moreover, we are planning on enhancing performance.

Go to IE's "about" page. There are a lot of companies listed there that have chunks of software somewhere in IE. Those are just the ones that Microsoft lists.

We are maintainable and extensible. IE is not. IE is looking good right now with their market share, but we have the superior technology. We are going to take IE out. Of course, we still have a lot of bug fixes that must be accomplished, including those fixing memory leaks and other problems. All of our fixes are very doable. My point is that IE's are not.