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Mozilla 1.2 - Get It While It's Hot!

Tuesday November 26th, 2002

mozilla.org has just released Mozilla 1.2. New to this version (since 1.1) are Type Ahead Find, toolbars as text/icons/both, support for GTK themes on Linux and native style for HTML form controls on Windows XP, multiple tabs as startpage, Link Prefetching, filter after the fact and filter logging in Mail, the ability to sync your addressbook to a Palm device on MS Windows, and much, much more.

Builds are now starting to show up on the ftp servers, and the release notes have been posted. Be sure to check out the updating roadmap, as noted earlier this week.


#104 Re: because mainstream browsers display tooltips

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Thursday November 28th, 2002 10:35 AM

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A tag does two things in the clients that dominate the market. It provided alternate text for when people chose to not view images (which as you so conveniently ignored, can be both text only browsers and people using image capable browsers but with images turned off) and it provides a tooltip.

For you to assume that the "only reason" it is used is for only one of those two purposes is just plain silly. Talking about majority cases and minority cases is a far cry from your original post where you said the "only reason". I'm happy to debate this with you but you're changing the argument midstream. You didn't say anything abouut majority. You said "... the only reason a developer that does not care for standards would bother to add an alt attribute is to get the frickin tooltip to display."

I'm challenging that. I think you're wrong. I've got something to back that up with, personal experience. I put alternate text on images specifically for people browsing without images, not just for text only browsers but also for the much more common case of people browsing with images turned off. Your claim that tooltips are the "only reason" an author who didn't care about standards (me back when I didn't care about standards and still used alternate text) would use alternate text is just flat wrong, indefensible, so now you've changed your argument. That's a convenient strategy but doesn't do much convincing.

--Asa