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It Has Begun!

Friday December 4th, 1998

The time has come for Netscape Corporate to get involved in the foreground of what we like to call NGLayout or NGT or whatever. Welcome 'Gecko' to the array of names for Communicator 5.0 components. According to a page on developer.netscape.com, Gecko is now the name for the layout engine that was known as Raptor or NGL.

Along with this new name come binaries for the masses. According to a News.com article, Netscape on Monday will start promoting 'Developer Builds' (initially for Win32 only) for all who want to play with them. What does this mean for people who have been here since March or so? Time will tell...

Links Galore:
Gecko Overview
Gecko FAQ
Gecko Release Notes
Gecko Demos

One quick secret...the builds will be essentially the same that are offered on our fetchBuilds page from mozilla.org, and they are available NOW! Cool stuff!

Update! We were incorrect about the developer build. It turns out that this will be a special build that will have some tweaks and a cleaned up interface, and has been under development by a group at Netscape for a while now. The builds should be on Netscape's FTP server in about a week. Also, if you attended the builder.com showcase, and got your hands on Gecko, drop us a note!


#1 Re:It Has Begun!

by jon stephens <zontar@mindless.com>

Sunday December 6th, 1998 10:17 AM

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WHOO-HOO!

Loved the demos, can't wait to try whipping up a couple of my own!

<SNICKER>"Because IE5B2 doesn't support much of the W3C Level 1 DOM, we put in some backwards compatibility hacks..."</SNICKER>

#2 Re:It Has Begun!

by Julian Morrison <julian@zereau.net>

Monday December 7th, 1998 2:00 AM

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Why win32 only, when most Mozilla developers work on Linux..

#3 Re:It Has Begun!

by bob ross

Monday December 7th, 1998 6:41 AM

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: Why win32 only, when most :Mozilla developers work on Linux..

I'm guessing that it is because the win32 binaries are more mature. You'll get you linux fix, just wait =-)

#4 Re:It Has Begun!

by Smack

Monday December 7th, 1998 8:06 AM

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So why didn't they just leave the name as Raptor? I understood using NGL, since it sounds more professional, but now Gecko???

#5 Re:It Has Begun!

by Mad

Monday December 7th, 1998 8:45 AM

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Why not Raptor? Some other company (Raptor Technologies or something like it) is already using the name. We don't want to be hit by lawsuits, do we?

#6 Re:It Has Begun!

by arielb

Monday December 7th, 1998 8:48 AM

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ok first it was raptor. then nglayout. then NGT. then seamonkey. now it's gecko. make up your minds!

#7 Re:It Has Begun!

by Jason Kersey (MZ Admin) <kerz@en.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:48 AM

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Seamonkey and Gecko are NOT the same things. My understanding is that Gecko is the Layout engine, and Seamonkey is Gecko+XPToolkits+Otherstuff(Mail/News/Composer etc.).

#8 Re:It Has Begun!

by pinhead

Monday December 7th, 1998 3:33 PM

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so where is it? went the the page, nothing but news. do you have to be a devedge member?

#9 Re:It Has Begun!

by pinhead

Monday December 7th, 1998 3:33 PM

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so where is it? went the the page, nothing but news. do you have to be a devedge member?

#10 Re:It Has Begun!

by Joel Caris <joel_caris@iname.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 5:51 PM

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I believe Netscape will not be releasing the engine on the DevEdge web site until later this week. If you can't wait, just hit the FetchBuilds link and grab one of the nightly binaries.

Joel Caris

#11 Re:It Has Begun!

by pinhead

Monday December 7th, 1998 6:08 PM

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thanks Joel, I've been playing around with a nightly for a couple of days now, just wanted to see if there were any differences/improvements from the "big boys".

#12 Re:It Has Begun!

by Joel Caris <joel_caris@iname.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 7:04 PM

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I doubt there is much difference between the nightly builds and the Netscape-released engine. The only difference may be some sort of setup wizard. It sounds like Netscape has not really added any of the features of a full-fledged browser.

In fact, it says in the updated News.com article that Netscape will not be able to release a beta by year-end. A beta is now not expected until next spring. Bad news, but worth it for the integration of Gecko.

Joel Caris

#13 My understanding..

by Jedbro <jedbro@usa.net>

Monday December 7th, 1998 8:38 PM

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My understanding is that the "seamonkey" term refers to the Gecko engine in a "release" build without all the Debugg crap. (cutting it to < 1.4mb)

According to various articles I have read, it has been released already on DevEdge, but I'm not a member so no access.

please correct me if I'm wrong...

If anyone get's a hold of it please let me know. I'm DYING to test it out!

#14 Re:It Has Begun!

by Jason (MZ Admin) <kerz@en.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 8:45 PM

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Again, Seamonkey is the codename for the entire Communicator 5.0 package, which is slated to include Navigator, Composer, Messenger, and Calendar. Gecko is ONLY the layout engine which is cross platform, and can be embedded into all kinds of applications. Don't cound on Communicator being 1.4 megs, that's a bit of a stretch.

#15 Thanks

by Jedbro

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:01 PM

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Thanks for the Seamonkey clearup.

Although they are planning for the engine itself (which will be embeded in many aplications/programs) will be a mear 1.4mb or less.

You think the DEV preview is much larger?

#16 Hope so

by Mach Jinon <Mj@joymail.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:04 PM

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Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft (bad pun, sorry) did?

#17 Hope so

by Mach Jinon <Mj@joymail.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:04 PM

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Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft [bad pun, sorry] did?

#18 Re:It Has Begun!

by Chris N <mozineAdmin@mozillazine.org>

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:46 PM

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>Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft [bad pun, sorry] did?

Because it's *very* pre-beta.

--chris

#19 Re:It Has Begun!

by Joel Caris <joel_caris@iname.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 9:56 PM

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The impression I have gotten from the articles I've read is that Gecko will be released on DevEdge later this week. You do not have to be a member, it simply has not been released yet. It will be in a few days.

Now, I may be wrong. If I am, feel free to correct me. I simply have gotten the impression that it will be available through the DevEdge site--not just to members--but not until later this week.

Joel Caris

#20 Re:It Has Begun!

by pinhead

Monday December 7th, 1998 10:46 PM

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according to PR newswire(?)"the gecko ngl rendering engine was made available today to developers..." etc. etc. at the devedge website. I got this from Pointcast, so I'm not sure how true it might be.

#21 Re:It Has Begun!

by Jason (MZ Admin) <kerz@en.com>

Monday December 7th, 1998 11:26 PM

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It should be out next week, as you can see here - <http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Shafer/120798/> - the pages are slowly being posted, as seen in the main story links above. The developer builds are going to be polished for the end user, and will be slightly different from nightly builds, in that things will be gone over with a fine tooth comb for any impending PR disaster and the menus should be cleaner. Much of the non working fun test stuff will probebly be gone too.

If you attended the builder.com event in New Orleans, and got the CD with the build on it, drop us a line here and we will post it for all to see early! Thanks!

P.S. Its 1:30 in the morning, forgive me for the grammar or spelling! :P

#22 Optimized linux builds?

by Stuart Ballard

Tuesday December 8th, 1998 9:18 AM

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I'm still wondering why we're getting daily sleek 1.5Mb optimized windows builds, but bloated 10Mb debug linux monsters... I'm running linux but on a slow connection, and I'd be using seamonkey regularly if only I could get a build that it was feasible to download...

Any pointers, anyone?

Stuart.

PS I notice that the legend on the Tinderbox tree says "B - download the binary created by this build" but there aren't any B links... any clues when this will be enabled?

#23 Re:It Has Begun!

by simeon <simeon@pimpmaster.org>

Tuesday December 8th, 1998 9:55 AM

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Stuart,

In the fetch builds section on Mozillazine, there is a pointer to my site. I have a non-debug linux build from the 5th (more soon), which is 4.2mb. That should be less painful to download.