WHOO-HOO!

Loved the demos, can't wait to try whipping up a couple of my own!

<SNICKER>"Because IE5B2 doesn't support much of the W3C Level 1 DOM, we put in some backwards compatibility hacks..."</SNICKER>

Why win32 only, when most Mozilla developers work on Linux..

: Why win32 only, when most :Mozilla developers work on Linux..

I'm guessing that it is because the win32 binaries are more mature. You'll get you linux fix, just wait =-)

So why didn't they just leave the name as Raptor? I understood using NGL, since it sounds more professional, but now Gecko???

Why not Raptor? Some other company (Raptor Technologies or something like it) is already using the name. We don't want to be hit by lawsuits, do we?

ok first it was raptor. then nglayout. then NGT. then seamonkey. now it's gecko. make up your minds!

Seamonkey and Gecko are NOT the same things. My understanding is that Gecko is the Layout engine, and Seamonkey is Gecko+XPToolkits+Otherstuff(Mail/News/Composer etc.).

so where is it? went the the page, nothing but news. do you have to be a devedge member?

so where is it? went the the page, nothing but news. do you have to be a devedge member?

I believe Netscape will not be releasing the engine on the DevEdge web site until later this week. If you can't wait, just hit the FetchBuilds link and grab one of the nightly binaries.

Joel Caris

thanks Joel, I've been playing around with a nightly for a couple of days now, just wanted to see if there were any differences/improvements from the "big boys".

I doubt there is much difference between the nightly builds and the Netscape-released engine. The only difference may be some sort of setup wizard. It sounds like Netscape has not really added any of the features of a full-fledged browser.

In fact, it says in the updated News.com article that Netscape will not be able to release a beta by year-end. A beta is now not expected until next spring. Bad news, but worth it for the integration of Gecko.

Joel Caris

My understanding is that the "seamonkey" term refers to the Gecko engine in a "release" build without all the Debugg crap. (cutting it to < 1.4mb)

According to various articles I have read, it has been released already on DevEdge, but I'm not a member so no access.

please correct me if I'm wrong...

If anyone get's a hold of it please let me know. I'm DYING to test it out!

Again, Seamonkey is the codename for the entire Communicator 5.0 package, which is slated to include Navigator, Composer, Messenger, and Calendar. Gecko is ONLY the layout engine which is cross platform, and can be embedded into all kinds of applications. Don't cound on Communicator being 1.4 megs, that's a bit of a stretch.

Thanks for the Seamonkey clearup.

Although they are planning for the engine itself (which will be embeded in many aplications/programs) will be a mear 1.4mb or less.

You think the DEV preview is much larger?

Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft (bad pun, sorry) did?

Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft [bad pun, sorry] did?

>Why don't they release the Developer preview to the public like Microscraft [bad pun, sorry] did?

Because it's *very* pre-beta.

--chris

The impression I have gotten from the articles I've read is that Gecko will be released on DevEdge later this week. You do not have to be a member, it simply has not been released yet. It will be in a few days.

Now, I may be wrong. If I am, feel free to correct me. I simply have gotten the impression that it will be available through the DevEdge site--not just to members--but not until later this week.

Joel Caris

according to PR newswire(?)"the gecko ngl rendering engine was made available today to developers..." etc. etc. at the devedge website. I got this from Pointcast, so I'm not sure how true it might be.

It should be out next week, as you can see here - http://www.builder.com/Authoring/Shafer/120798/ - the pages are slowly being posted, as seen in the main story links above. The developer builds are going to be polished for the end user, and will be slightly different from nightly builds, in that things will be gone over with a fine tooth comb for any impending PR disaster and the menus should be cleaner. Much of the non working fun test stuff will probebly be gone too.

If you attended the builder.com event in New Orleans, and got the CD with the build on it, drop us a line here and we will post it for all to see early! Thanks!

P.S. Its 1:30 in the morning, forgive me for the grammar or spelling! :P

I'm still wondering why we're getting daily sleek 1.5Mb optimized windows builds, but bloated 10Mb debug linux monsters... I'm running linux but on a slow connection, and I'd be using seamonkey regularly if only I could get a build that it was feasible to download...

Any pointers, anyone?

Stuart.

PS I notice that the legend on the Tinderbox tree says "B - download the binary created by this build" but there aren't any B links... any clues when this will be enabled?

Stuart,

In the fetch builds section on Mozillazine, there is a pointer to my site. I have a non-debug linux build from the 5th (more soon), which is 4.2mb. That should be less painful to download.