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Newsgroup Filtering Coming to a Mozilla Near You

Wednesday November 6th, 2002

Slater writes: "News filters coming to a Mozilla near you! The ability to filter Usenet news messages according to user-defined settings is about to land (the bug itself has been marked FIXED). Soon you'll be able to filter all the Jenny Craigs and JTKs of the world! Woohoo! The bug is bug 17483. Happy Happy, Joy Joy!" Once again, a pretty screenshot is available.


#1 Excellent feature

by mbokil

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 7:45 AM

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Filtering of news groups is what I have been waiting for so I can switch over to the Mozilla mail client completely. Thankyou oh most excellent Mozilla engieers.

Mark

#2 Onward and upward...

by ksheka

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 8:43 AM

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With this and a few other bugs that have patches going into trunk after the 1.2 branch (hopefully!) (Baysean analysis of spam, images rendering progressively, address book sync with PalmOS handhelds, etc), 1.3 is going to be a killer milestone for the mail/news reader. Thanks to all the mozilla developers, especially the mail/news ones. :-)

#3 Oh, ooh, Ohhhh... ahhhh.....

by flacco

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 10:18 AM

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I think I just came in my pants.

About time :-)

#10 Re: Oh, ooh, Ohhhh... ahhhh.....

by fishbert

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 10:11 PM

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Well, how long have you been trying? =)

#4 Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by robdogg

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 10:53 AM

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How about fixing existing problems first? Clicking on a bookmark group leaves the first tab blank. How about a checkbox in prefs saying 'replace tabs instead of add' like in Phoenix.

#5 Re: Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by dipa

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 1:51 PM

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Mail&News people are working on mail&news, not on browser. Mail&News has seen great progress in the last year, I wouldn't ever want to remember how slow, unreliable, unstable and feature-missing this Mail app was. Of course, it still needs some performance work, bug fixing and polishing. As usual.

#11 Re: Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by fishbert

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 10:24 PM

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Ok, this bug/feature has been in the works since October of 1999. Maybe you see things differently, but I'm not sure it's ever been high on the to-do list. It's nice to see they finally got it taken care of, though.

#14 Re: Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by leafdigital

Thursday November 7th, 2002 3:29 AM

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Eh, this is another one of those questions that comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the way software projects work, along with a second misunderstanding (that your own priorities are the same as everyone's priorities).

I mean, if everybody's priorities were the same as mine, then being able to right-click and delete items from the bookmark menu would have been done years back. It hasn't been done. There are lots of other people who'd like that feature, it's hardly an obscure one - but there are also lots of people who don't give a shit.

As for the software project misunderstanding, in this case that's primarily about the people involved. It looks to me like Seth Spitzer created this feature; it also looks to me like he's a mailnews developer. That means he can't realistically work on features to do with tabbed browsing, since (a) that would be inefficient as he isn't fully up to speed with all the software issues in that area, and (b) it would be treading on somebody else's toes (maybe the person whose job it IS has an idea for a really nice solution to those issues that covers other things too).

If the tabbed-browsing features are really urgent for you and you really don't think they'll be addressed in the near future, then you might be able to effect change: find somebody who can code in Mozilla and is willing to take freelance assignments. Then pay them to do it; those bugs sound like maybe a few hundred dollars of developer freelance rates to me, although perhaps there's something in there that makes them more complex. If they provide a quality patch then it'll probably get accepted into mozilla; even if it isn't you can still use it on your own build.

Unless you're willing to do that then this is software you're getting for free thanks to the generosity of AOL, a few other large companies, and from some individuals willing to work for nothing. I think it's perfectly reasonable to point out problems with the browser, even though you're getting it for free, but complaining that bugs/limitations which *other people* care about have been fixed is extremely childish. You didn't pay anything for the browser, or contribute in another significant way; nor did those who got their pet bug fixed, and nor did I. What right do you have to criticise somebody else's choice about which freeloaders to satisfy?

I don't use newsreading at all but I'm happy to see this feature included, it looks like a significant one. Well done.

--quen

#15 Re: Re: Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by robdogg

Thursday November 7th, 2002 10:39 AM

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>>Eh, this is another one of those questions that comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the way software projects work, along with a second misunderstanding (that your own priorities are the same as everyone's priorities).<<

I know exactly how software projects work, given that I am a software developer myself and lead software projects all the time. I was speaking out of frustration that the feature which was implemented in 5 minutes on Phoenix isn't in Moz, even though it was there before 1.1.

#16 Re: Why not fix existing Moz problems first???

by gwalla <gwalla@despammed.com>

Saturday November 9th, 2002 12:45 AM

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This *is* an existing problem. It's a *long-standing* existing problem. Not being able to filter out spam and trolls makes using Mozilla as a newsreader a complete pain in the ass. I believe it is the #1 problem (or close to it) why many people who use Mozilla for the web and mail, and who also use newsgroups, do not use Mozilla for newsgroups.

Lack of news filters is major lack of functionality. Your bookmark groups regression is a fairly minor irritant that can be worked around.

#6 Wonderful

by fletchsod

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 2:01 PM

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Wonderful! It shouldn't be too hard to block Jenny Craig's waste of time stuffs. :-)

#7 At least !

by MozFred

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 3:22 PM

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I just have to say I really love scoring in mozilla ! Jenny Craig will go to hell for ever now :-)))))

#8 Re: At least !

by Sailfish <sailfish@unforgettable.com>

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 4:17 PM

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Odd, I hadn't notice that as one of the routing choices?

#9 How about support for yenc?

by mesostinky

Wednesday November 6th, 2002 5:32 PM

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Right now Moz is an O.K. newsreader for posting and reading messages. But how about doing some optimization for downloading files. That IMO is one area where the newsreader is sorely lacking. Compared to something like Grabit or Pan Moz's newreader just isn't even an option.

#12 Jenny Craig? JTK?

by johann_p

Thursday November 7th, 2002 2:01 AM

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Somebody care to explain this to someone who rarely visit newsgroups and if yes only the boring ones? :)

#13 Re: Jenny Craig? JTK?

by sl8r

Thursday November 7th, 2002 3:27 AM

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"JTK" and "Jenny Craig" are the moz newsgroups' very own resident trolls.