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101 Things Mozilla Can Do That IE Can't

Tuesday November 5th, 2002

Rob Hudson writes: "Found this interesting list of 101 things (some more obscure than others) that Mozilla can do that IE can't." The list, by Neil Deakin of XulPlanet, has been doing the rounds for a few days now and is currently ranked in second place on Blogdex.

UPDATE! The list has now been featured on both Slashdot and CNET News.com.


#27 What do you think

by jedbro

Thursday November 7th, 2002 11:15 PM

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This was mentioned on a security Forum I recuent. What do you think? -------------- Moz is nice from a "users" point of view, but there are MANY MANY things that IE can do that Moz cannot...

It's quite a nice browser (dunno if it is actually *BETTER* than IE, but it suits M$-o-phobes and Linux users). But my god Moz is a bitch to script for, and the DOM is very limited. Furthermore, it is designed to be completely "strict" with HTML and JS code - that makes it incredibly difficult to work with because coders inevitably make errors as the finalise their scripts and pages (and these simply "expolode" in Moz/NS6).

Luckily, IE can do everything that Moz can do in that coding regard (plus about 3,000 other, practical and often essential things in DHTML layouts - eg: determining window width and height, which is impossible in Moz/NS so you can't centre something on the screen! ).

LOL, JC (not really a IE lover) ---- Reading that "101" list a bit further - it was obviously written by a non-IE user. Dunno whether anyone else has found the various errors and silly comments in it... ----------

1. Tabbed browsing Lets you display more than one site in a window using multiple tabs

God knows why *anyone* would want to do tabbed browsing - but if you want to, just install a IE skin (eg: Netcaptor and a multitude of others). -----------

6. Can add custom panels to sidebar Custom sidebars can be implemented in HTML or XUL and can be installed from a remote site without much hassle

I definitely wouldn't want remote sites installing stuff on MY browser... but in IE you can do that kinda stuff, in fact you can alter the whole UI (not just a side bar) by installing stuff from remote sites. Interestingly, this kind of thing has been available for many years in IE : custom toolbars, etc, and don't forget the AOL browser which is exactly the same kinda thing that they are saying is possible with Moz (eeek, horrid thought - but then again, Moz *is* funded by AOL isn't it :-) )

IE can be customised considerably using HTML and other languages (eg: my OpenSelectedURL tool, which modifies the Context Menu). Sidebars are named "Explorer Bars" by M$ and the info on adding them (and other UI stuff) starts from here : <http://msdn.microsoft.com…ext/overview/overview.asp>

I admit that some things require registry entries, but that is easy to do (even within IE using Jscript or VBscript). -----------

13. Themes Provides two themes by default (Classic and Modern), but others may be installed

Silly comment - See 6. above ------------

30. Can select custom search engine You can select any search engine you wish, not just one that has been chosen for you

You can change that in IE - just use the relevant page on your selected search engine. For example... <http://www.google.com/options/defaults.html>

I have never even HIT that search button in IE before I went looking. I have the search engines on my Links Bar. But I admit that the IE interface provides no way of altering the default search engine that loads in a side-bar. ----------

31. Can display search results in sidebar When a search is performed, results can be parsed automatically and displayed in the sidebar. You can navigate each found item, without hiding the list.

What the F#? he talking about ? Search results do exactly that in MY version of IE ! ----------

41. Can fill-in complete forms automatically Stores complete forms which can be later be filled in automatically. This is useful if you want to register for something 600 times.

Hmmm - "AutoComplete" is what I remember it is called in IE - it's enabled by default, but can be turned off - In fact, I make sure that it is DISABLED in my browsers, and I also ensure I use the correct code on my web pages so that IE **won't** save form data (irrespective of the users' browser settings)... ummm, I wonder if THAT is possible in Moz ? ----------

59. Displays ABBR/ACRONYM titles in tooltips Content in these tags are displayed with an underline and the titles of various elements are displayed in a tooltip

Ummm - huh ? The correct markup tag is <TITLE> and IE has used this tag (as well as ACRONYM) since version 4 I think ! ----------

73. PNG alpha transparency For making transparent images

Hello - PNG support has been in IE since v4, hasn't it ? But it was buggy for 24bit transparency, was fixed in IE5+ ----------

85. Address field in full screen mode In full screen mode, there is an address bar to navigate to other pages

In IE - hit F11 to go into FullScreen Mode - then R-click the toolbar and select "Address Bar". There is also some other options including a really neat "auto-hide" option. ----------

97. Various security related features Surely you knew Mozilla had better security features?

This is a COMPLETELY ridiculous comment... nobody bothers finding exploits for software that only a TINY proportion of ppl use. EVERYTHING has security flaws. And M$ (for all their problems) at least releases bug and security fixes almost IMMEDIATELY that they are identified - Moz is a LOT slower in repairing these kind of problems.

And futhermore Mozilla is still unable to release a **stable** version some 3 or 4 years after starting work... ---------

100. Bugzilla This is Mozilla's bug tracking system, where you can find information about problems you encounter and can help get them fixed.

Bug tracking system is all well and fine - but when I was involved in testing NS6 / Moz a few years ago there were SO MANY bugs that there was little point in bothering with Bugzilla (it was completely overloaded). Dunno if that has changed, but I know that M$ have a thing called "Knowledge Base" which does exactly the same thing.

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That is just a quick analysis I can make, without going into the specific DOM-related comments that the guy made.

Also, I'd like to point out this quote from <http://news.com.com/2100-1023-964792.html>

"Deakin said he created the list in response to a question posed in a discussion forum about the advantages Mozilla had over IE. But he cautioned against reading too much into his findings, pointing out that it would be trivial for someone to compile a similar list of features IE has that Mozilla doesn't."

JC

My comments are not "knocking" Mozilla - I like the concept of it a lot. But I always take exception when people post silly things like that list - it shows that they have nothing better to do (and note how many people that guy distributed it to - it was not just a simple post, it was almost used propoganda)