Shock as MozillaZine Readers Turn to Slashdot for Accurate Information

Thursday October 31st, 2002

For our last poll, we asked you where else you go to get Mozilla news. 848 of you answered with Slashdot getting 30% of the vote, almost twice as much as its nearest rival, MozillaNews, with 17%. The third-placed 'None of the above' option was favoured by 16% of you, which frankly tells us very little. FUD specialist MozillaQuest came in fifth with 8% of the vote, which concerns us slightly. 5% of you rely on mainstream tech news sites such as CNET's or eWeek while 4% of you prefer the weblog style of Blogzilla. Newcomers Planet Mozilla and MozFan didn't do so well with 1% and 0% of the vote respectively. NewsForge, with 1%, also did surprisingly badly, especially considering the amount of news we steal from them. Finally, 14% of you just go wherever telnet to port 80 will take you.

For our next poll, we'd like to know what your favourite Phoenix theme is. The options are taken from the lists at the mozdev Themes project and David Tenser's Phoenix Help so don't blame us if your favourite theme isn't listed. Go and vote now or just sit on the fence and watch the latest results.

#58 Re: All that bla bla, but the sky is still mozilla

by asa <>

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:58 PM

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1) install mozilla without all options, what is the size of it, almost the same.

No, it's not. Linux Mozilla Browser only install total download size 11.5MB and growing Phoenix 9.1MB and shrinking. That's more than 20% difference. And on disk a Mozilla Browser install is about 28MB and a Phoenix install is about 22MB. That's also more than 20% difference. Lot's could be done to slim Mozilla down but the point is that Phoenix has made significant decreases in size and Mozilla hasn't.

2) do non geeks need a toolbar customizer, No.

I don't think that's correct. There are plenty of non-geek users (ranging from intermediate through 'power-users') that use toolbar customization. If that wasn't the case then Microsoft wouldn't ship toolbar customization in all of it's top apps (Office and IE both have it). If that wasn't the case then Apple wouldn't make toolbar customization a part of most of its apps. Both Apple and Microsoft are courting the hundreds of millions of non-geeks who use computers for work and play. In that group is a range of users from newbies to intermediate to advanced to power users. I'm sure there are plenty of advanced and power users that are not "geeks" that customize applications. If zero non-geeks used simple customizations like for primary toolbars then Apple and Microsoft wouldn't include that as a feature in their applications.

3) is it faster, No, because Phoenix is a sort of skinned version of mozilla.

This is just wrong. Phoenix starts up between 30-40% faster than latest Mozilla. Phoenix creates new windows between 40-50% faster than latest Mozilla. Phoenix is not a skinned version of mozilla. It's mostly new (and designed to be faster) XUL. This new XUL was written by the top XUL hackers on the planet (including the guy that invented XUL) and they know exactly where XUL is fast and where it's not fast. They've taken great care to optimize the UI by using XUL's faster bits and minimizing the use of its slower bits.

4) do you consider it a theme os skin? It's more like a new skin for mozilla.

Are you talking about Phoenix? It's neither a theme or a skin. It's a XUL app. Themes aren't XUL, they're just css and images. Phoenix is new XUL.

5) you don't like Phoenix? I like the Toolbar customizer only, because I'm a geek.

I like Phoenix too. I like toolbar customization too but not because I'm a geek. I like it because it allows me to make simple changes to my primary interface to the web, for example, removing the home button that I accidentally click when I never want to go home.