Shock as MozillaZine Readers Turn to Slashdot for Accurate Information

Thursday October 31st, 2002

For our last poll, we asked you where else you go to get Mozilla news. 848 of you answered with Slashdot getting 30% of the vote, almost twice as much as its nearest rival, MozillaNews, with 17%. The third-placed 'None of the above' option was favoured by 16% of you, which frankly tells us very little. FUD specialist MozillaQuest came in fifth with 8% of the vote, which concerns us slightly. 5% of you rely on mainstream tech news sites such as CNET's or eWeek while 4% of you prefer the weblog style of Blogzilla. Newcomers Planet Mozilla and MozFan didn't do so well with 1% and 0% of the vote respectively. NewsForge, with 1%, also did surprisingly badly, especially considering the amount of news we steal from them. Finally, 14% of you just go wherever telnet to port 80 will take you.

For our next poll, we'd like to know what your favourite Phoenix theme is. The options are taken from the lists at the mozdev Themes project and David Tenser's Phoenix Help so don't blame us if your favourite theme isn't listed. Go and vote now or just sit on the fence and watch the latest results.

#40 MozillaZine concentrating on Phoenix too much? YES

by peterlairo <>

Friday November 1st, 2002 8:10 AM

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Too bad you chose not to respond constructively and with an open mind. Therefore, I shall stoop:

>> We (I) are far more interested in Mozilla

>I'm not sure why you bothered saying "We" when you acknowledged that you meant "I".

Because I wanted, without using even more words, to convey that there SEEMS to be more interest in Mozilla than in Phoenix (in ADDITION to MY interest being higher).

> I point to the Phoenix forums (as compared with the Mozilla forums) as evidence of the high level of interest in Phoenix.

I point to the entire mozilla project, all mozilla newsgroups, all outside articles written, the number of bug participants, etc. as evidence of the MUCH HIGHER level of interest in Mozilla.

>> (A) has the features we need (mail)

> Mail is not a feature. It is a program.

Attacking a (less relevant) detail and (deliberately) ignoring the obvious message is a dastardly way of avoiding an inconvenient topic. I see this with politicians and extremists; but I am repeatedly discouraged when seeing it in our "community".

>> (B) the development process is more "communal" and less elitist

> communal: Marked by collective ownership and control of goods and property.

That was the THIRD DOWN definition. The SECOND definition is more how I see it: "A group of people having common interests".

> This is not the way to develop a program. Collective ownership leads to neverending bickering in bugs which ultimately leads nowhere.

Yes, and the peasants really do need a king, too. NOT! Please stop oversimplifying. A degree of hierarchy is always needed AND the masses need some level of control. This is what makes a healthy society (efficiency comes AFTER humanity - i can't believe I have to point this out).

> It doesn't work, and Mozilla is testament to that.

Really? I think Mozilla is working greatly.

> Phoenix is communal in the sense that we strongly encourage users (and non-users) to give us feedback in our forums.

Yes, and the peasants don't need more than 10% of their earnings either...

> Yup, we don't grant checkin access to anyone under the sun.

Neither does Mozilla. That is implied slander (A false and malicious statement or report about someone/something).

> Imagine that! We still take patches from experienced people. And the process is very obviously working well.

Completely OT! The topic is "MozillaZine should report MORE on other aspects of Mozilla".

>> There are many exciting things happening in Mozilla that receive little to no coverage here (but should): - spam filter (very cool & promising feature) (LINK) - multiple signatures (LINK)

> Your entire argument is that Mozillazine covers Phoenix too often.

Wrong! My point is that MozillaZine covers OTHER ISSUES TOO LITTLE!

>> There are so many newsworthy items and *issues* that could be brought to our attention and discussed here.

> So submit a coherent article. Mozillazine is largely run by its fans, who submit articles. In that sense, the articles you see are largely the result of fan interest.

I might, but that is not the POINT of my post! I'm sure those that copy/paste an article to MZ don't just post ALL articles submitted. There is likely some SELECTION PROCESS. My point is that THE SELECTION PROCESS NEEDS SOME RECONSIDERING.