Shock as MozillaZine Readers Turn to Slashdot for Accurate Information

Thursday October 31st, 2002

For our last poll, we asked you where else you go to get Mozilla news. 848 of you answered with Slashdot getting 30% of the vote, almost twice as much as its nearest rival, MozillaNews, with 17%. The third-placed 'None of the above' option was favoured by 16% of you, which frankly tells us very little. FUD specialist MozillaQuest came in fifth with 8% of the vote, which concerns us slightly. 5% of you rely on mainstream tech news sites such as CNET's or eWeek while 4% of you prefer the weblog style of Blogzilla. Newcomers Planet Mozilla and MozFan didn't do so well with 1% and 0% of the vote respectively. NewsForge, with 1%, also did surprisingly badly, especially considering the amount of news we steal from them. Finally, 14% of you just go wherever telnet to port 80 will take you.

For our next poll, we'd like to know what your favourite Phoenix theme is. The options are taken from the lists at the mozdev Themes project and David Tenser's Phoenix Help so don't blame us if your favourite theme isn't listed. Go and vote now or just sit on the fence and watch the latest results.

#30 Unfortunately, yes...

by Sander

Friday November 1st, 2002 6:13 AM

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"Is this a commonly held view? Do other readers think that we're concentrating on Phoenix too much?"

I'm sad to say this, but yes, I do feel the focus has shifted just a tad too much. I think it's great that Phoenix exists; it serves a market and gives me hope for the idea of a plethora of browsers each targeting a different kind of user (something I think either David Hyatt or Blake Ross wrote about in his weblog a few months ago). And I think it's great for the people working on Phoenix that they've found a new toyproject to play with. I mean, jay! Good for them. But I don't care about Phoenix. I think this previous comment says it best: "Phoenix developers think they know better than I do about how I want to browse." Well, they don't. Thus, "Phoenix is not for me." More important however, whenever someone brings up a point against this, trying to argue for why some changes are not liked, he's ridiculed. The Phoenix developers have every right to run the project as they see fit, to be as authocratic as they want and post silly pics in their weblogs or vent their frustration with idiot user suggestions in whatever way they want. But that means it's not a project I want to be part of. Mozilla is. (I think that might just be the biggest problem with Phoenix; it was born out of frustration.)

With Mozilla I know what's going on. If I want to discover the reasoning behind changes, I go and query for the bug. There are lots of decisions I disagree with, some of them even big enough to make me try and help with getting them undone. With Mozilla, that is something you can do - argue against changes. It far too often gets way out of hand, with too many people not seeming to realize when discussion is over. Other times, it's the clashing of too big egos that both have too much power. I loathe the politics and personal dislike I see cropping up every so often. But still, despite all that, if you can bring truly good arguments to the table why you feel something should be done a certain way, you have a chance of having a real effect. With Mozilla, I'm _glad_ to do things like duping the umptieth bug by someone who hasn't queried, because I am giving back to a project that has not only provided me with the browser I prefer above all others, but also appreciates my contributions in making the browser even more useful.

Mozilla is a community project. Phoenix isn't. It's a great project, and I hope at least some of the developments from Phoenix (customizable toolbars, perhaps satchel) will be brought over to the trunk, but overall it's developing in a way that makes it less and less like a browser I might want to use. And with Phoenix being as 'elitist' as it is, I think it does indeed get too much attention here.