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First Phoenix 0.4 Articles Roll In

Wednesday October 30th, 2002

Slashdot was among the first set of sites to report on the release of Phoenix 0.4. Business-orientated site InternetNews was also quick off the mark.


#1 InternetNews

by afree87 <afree87@netscape.net>

Wednesday October 30th, 2002 7:59 PM

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Hahaha, they copied the whole paragraph about creating new accounts... that there's some good reading, I guess.

#2 Typo

by tny

Thursday October 31st, 2002 12:34 PM

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> Business-orientated site InternetNews was also quick off the mark.

Sorry, guys, but that's "business-oriented," not "-orientated."

If it makes you feel any better, I just typed "typoe." ;-)

#3 Re: Typo

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 12:55 PM

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> > Business-orientated site InternetNews was also quick off the mark.

> Sorry, guys, but that's "business-oriented," not "-orientated."

OED says they're equivalent.

Alex

#4 Re: Typo

by Taerom <taerom@dontfearthemeeper.com>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 1:42 PM

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#9 Re: Re: Typo

by tny

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:14 PM

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1. That's a descriptive, not a proscriptive dictionary. 2. The quote is from John LeCarre/, not exactly my ideal of a prose stylist.

2. The OED citation would be more authoritative. However, I wouldn't agree with the OED citation (I have the same education many of the OED lexicographers do, so I'm not just talking out of my you know what.) Orientated is a back-formation from "orient" > "orientation." The "orientate" form originates with ignorance of how Latin participals are formed.

Despite my opinion, here's another professional lexicographer's opinion:

<http://www.theatlantic.co…s/96dec/fowler/fowler.htm>

'On the orient-orientate debate -- the words have identical meanings but orientate is sometimes objected to -- he says that he has somewhat arbitrarily decided to use the former himself, but "one can have no fundamental quarrel" with the longer form.'

The author, Mr. Burchfield, is the current editor of Fowler's Modern English Usage. So while I may (with good reason, I think) disagree with Mr. Burchfield's opinion, and that of the OED lexicographer who described them as equivalent, Alex is right that they are considered equivalent by most relevant authorities.

#10 Re: Re: Re: Typo

by tny

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:15 PM

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For humor, note my typo on the spelling of "participle." And don't take me too seriously.

#11 Re: Re: Re: Typo

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:18 PM

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"The OED citation would be more authoritative."

Here you go:

1. = ORIENTED ppl. a. 1.

1886 WILLIS & CLARK Cambridge III. 278 A properly orientated chapel. 1900 L. FLETCHER in Brit. Mus. Return 156 Exactly orientated sections [of crystals] have been..optically examined. 2. = ORIENTED ppl. a. 3 (and similarly hyphenated).

1967 Indexer V. 162/2 We must, as far as possible, be customer- or user-orientated. 1968 Listener 1 Aug. 153/1 Stravinsky's Webern-orientated style. 1971 Guardian 18 Oct. 8/1 Polytechnics..are too big, too static, too institutional, too degree-orientated. 1972 C. JONES Introd. Middle English 4 Earlier works on the subject of medieval English language..have tended to be performance-orientated. 1974 Cape Times 1 Aug. 1/8 The highest percentage of votes appeared to be recorded at the Progressive Party-orientated..polling districts. 1975 Daily Tel. 26 July 11/3 His attitude..has been condemned as ‘irresponsible and politically orientated’.

Alex

#12 Re: Re: Re: Typo

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:19 PM

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"The OED citation would be more authoritative."

Here you go:

1. = ORIENTED ppl. a. 1.

1886 WILLIS & CLARK Cambridge III. 278 A properly orientated chapel. 1900 L. FLETCHER in Brit. Mus. Return 156 Exactly orientated sections [of crystals] have been..optically examined.

2. = ORIENTED ppl. a. 3 (and similarly hyphenated).

1967 Indexer V. 162/2 We must, as far as possible, be customer- or user-orientated. 1968 Listener 1 Aug. 153/1 Stravinsky's Webern-orientated style. 1971 Guardian 18 Oct. 8/1 Polytechnics..are too big, too static, too institutional, too degree-orientated. 1972 C. JONES Introd. Middle English 4 Earlier works on the subject of medieval English language..have tended to be performance-orientated. 1974 Cape Times 1 Aug. 1/8 The highest percentage of votes appeared to be recorded at the Progressive Party-orientated..polling districts. 1975 Daily Tel. 26 July 11/3 His attitude..has been condemned as ‘irresponsible and politically orientated’.

Alex

#13 Yay! I can double-post too (n/t)

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Friday November 1st, 2002 1:20 PM

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This space has been intentionally left blank.

Alex

#5 Lack of mozilla information on mozillazine

by bugs4hj <bugs4hj@netscape.net>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 2:23 PM

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I'm sorry but I see a lot of 'noise' for Phoenix lately, but where is the info mozilla users? Why is the info for mozilla not pushed at this rate? After all, it's called mozillazine, right?

/HJ

#6 Re: Lack of mozilla information on mozillazine

by bugs4hj <bugs4hj@netscape.net>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 2:25 PM

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...but where is the info FOR mozilla users...

#7 Re: Lack of mozilla information on mozillazine

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 3:26 PM

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"I'm sorry but I see a lot of 'noise' for Phoenix lately, but where is the info [for] mozilla users? Why is the info for mozilla not pushed at this rate? After all, it's called mozillazine, right?"

Well, mozillazine, mozillaZine, MozillaZine; no-one seems to know. :-) As the person who puts most of the news on the MozillaZine front page, I can tell you that we're not deliberately favouring Phoenix over Mozilla. There's just a lot happening with Phoenix at the moment, probably because it's a new project and it has short release cycles. MozillaZine was created <http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article8.html> to cover the whole Mozilla project, not just the main Mozilla browser, so I think that it's only fair that Phoenix gets a lot of coverage if it deserves it.

Of course, if you think we're missing any Mozilla news, feel free to tell us using the submitArticle <http://www.mozillazine.org/submit/> page.

Alex

#8 Re: played with it today.....

by Blake <blaker@netscape.com>

Thursday October 31st, 2002 4:05 PM

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The info for Mozilla is not pushed at the rate at which Phoenix info is because Mozilla doesn't move at the rate of Phoenix. Phoenix has a new milestone every 1-2 weeks; Mozilla has one every 1-2 months.