Phoenix 0.4 Release Set for This WeekMonday October 21st, 2002Blake Ross writes: "The Phoenix team would like to release a Phoenix 0.4 this week. Please tell us what we need to do for that to happen. We still plan on doing some more size reduction (in keeping with our milestone trend of ever shrinking builds). We also need to fix some bugs in menubar customization. As always, the team will be keeping a close eye on the discussion here and in the forums." Most of the things that you targeted for 0.4 seem to be in now, and it's on the right track... there are a couple things related to fonts and stylesheets that are missing, that are in mozilla for dom compliance (the options for setting fantasy and cursive fonts) and changing stylesheets through some implimentation, but neither of those are worth a delay. The pre-0.4 builds are great, except one glinch. The resizer doesn't disappear when I maximize in the 2002102008 build. I have to mouseover the resizer to make it vanish. Bugzilla notified me today that the toolbar can now finally be docked to the menu bar. Great work. Finally, the space to the right of the menu will have some use. Does the sidebar remember its state by now? Is the uninstall functionality for extensions implemented? Those are the improvements I'd like to see most. Also the Open/Save dialog on Linux needs better icons. BTW I'm seriously impressed by the reduced memory foodprint. Keep on the good work! As stated by Magpie I'm missing the 'Style Sheet' switcher that used to be under the View menu and I'm wondering where/how one is to get and change language packs. I started tinkering with a Dutch translation by changing some DTD files within en-US.jar but of course this should be a seperate file (yes I know there is also the Win en Mac and Unix one). And easy switcher within the GUI is necessar though. Somewhere within the Preferences perhaps. And no I wouldn't call this bloating the preference panel. Sidebar isn't returning to its previous state after a restart in the nightly I just downloaded. It does work though when opening new windows. Is it still planned to have 0.4's sidebar remember its state between uses? Otherwise, you guys f*cking rock. I love being able to put my toolbar stuff in with the menu. Keep it up guys! P.S. Can anyone recomend a Win32 based IMAP compatible email client? I don't seem to need Mozilla Mail anymore and need something to tide me over till Thunderbird. :P "P.S. Can anyone recomend a Win32 based IMAP compatible email client?" Pegasus Mail http://www.pmail.com/ the best email client available for Windows (also has a complimentary mail transport system, by the same author, called Mercury, if you need to setup email for lots of people within the same organisation) Hey, like where are the chevrons to show 'more' on menubars when items are cropped? Can someone that knows what they are doing with XUL add these to the Mozilla build so the UI blends in more with KDE and Gnome. I am just busting your chops. You guys rock. I love Phoenix. I am suprised Jenny Craig hasn't chimed in yet complaining about the BLUI. Possibly a tagline for Phoenix could be 'less bloat, more browser'. ;-) The troll (Jenny Craig) got bored and decided to go back under her bridge with all the other trolls! #20 Re: Re: where's the chevrons in phoenix and mozillby fletchsod Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 8:00 AM No, the troll, Jenny Craig are being blocked or his/her posting are being removed. I read about that somewhere. It would be great if phoenix could also be supplied with a xft enabled version too. I know that you can compile it, but it's a lot of work if you don't know what you are doing and time is short. I would like to see the ability to search by pressing down in the url bar brought back to phoenix. I understand that there is a seperate search bar but why bother with that when i can just press ctrl-l type my search then search right from there? It also takes up unnecessary space. Anyway, thanks for the great work so far! ctrl-l 'google <your term>' works for me. I think he ment search in current page from the location bar. That's the feature I would like, anyway. Something like the ability to create a "javascript: QuickSearch('%s')" keyword (which does not work, I tried ;-) ) I checked the code for this search function, but it's too complex for my very limited knowledge of js and limited time and interest to figure it out. Being able to search bookmarks and history with url keywords and have the result displayed in the current tab (a plugged bookmark/history manager without the menu) would be awesome features too. That would be an awesome time saver no other browser has and that would demonstrate the flexibility of XUL. I figure it wouldn't be too hard to do for someone who knows the stuff. please bring back the location bar search functionality. Typing a word into the location bar to search still kinda works for me (obviously for single words, it tries to find a site first). But now it seems to jump straight to the first site given by the search (like Google's I'm feeling lucky option). It would be nice to just show the normal search results page. In Mozilla and in Phoenix, how do you go straight to the DOM inspector without opening the browser? Is there a command line shortcut? Try ./mozilla --help Gives you among other things: -chat Start with an IRC chat client -addressbook Start with the addressbook. -news Start with news. -jsconsole Start with Javascript Console -venkman Start with JavaScript Debugger. -edit <url> Start with editor. -chrome <url> Load the specified chrome. -mail Start with mail. -compose <url> Start with messenger compose. I have to use CTRL-W to close all tabs and windows... or use the mouse. This is definitely a good thing. I don't know how many people I've heard complain that they lost work accidentally pushing C-q when they meant C-w. The bookmarks focus loss bug is really annoying for me, and I would be glad to see it fixed: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173333 I would love to see some Opera-like mouse gestures in Phoenix. Right mouse button + left goes back, left + right goes forward, etc. etc. Also some better keys for changing the previous/next tab would be nice. The best solution is to let the user choose his/her own keys. > I would love to see some Opera-like mouse gestures in Phoenix. Right mouse button > + left goes back, left + right goes forward, etc. etc. OptiMoz: http://optimoz.mozdev.org > Also some better keys for changing the previous/next tab would be nice. The best > solution is to let the user choose his/her own keys. You've got a choice of two different combinations, isn't that enough? Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown and Ctrl+[Shift+]Tab Something I have been dreaming of since I happened upon Mozilla years ago, that I wish could be tacked into Phoenix: A full-screen button on the toolbar *and* A bookmark sidebar opening button. IE has this, but not by default. It has to be "customized" in. Hardly anyone knows about it. When I have those two things, I *never* need to touch the keyboard and it is the reason that I continue to boot back over to windows all the time. I just get tired of having to reach over to the keyboard so often to click on a bookmark, or increase the visible browsing area. Just dreaming I guess... > A full-screen button on the toolbar *and* A bookmark sidebar opening button. well the latter is available on Phoenix, but again, requires a customisation of the toolbar I just found the bookmark button & posted a similar comment on the forums. Still hoping for that fullscreen button though. Also, it would be nice to have a hotspot to the left so I could just swish my mouse over & have the bookmark sidebar open automatically, and then close automatically after I click on a bookmark link.
Is there a possibility for there to be a pref so that phoenix can be configured to use 1 proxy for all protocols? Other than that, everyone I have recommended Phoenix to seems to like what they are using. In fullscreen mode, I have a number of bookmarks on the top bar next to the address line so I can just click on my most heavily used ones and be right at the page. When I do this, sometimes the little icon (supplied by the web page the bookmark points to) changes to some other pages icon, or goes away entirely. Also, it would be nice to be able to just do away with the icons entirely and allow seperators instead, so I could fit more marks in there. I like to keep my browser in the lower right corner of my desktop, so that icons across the top and down the left side will be readily available. But Phoenix seens to prefer starting in the upper left. I like to keep my browser in the lower right corner of my desktop, so that icons across the top and down the left side will be readily available. But Phoenix seens to prefer starting in the upper left. I tried to sort my bookmarks in alphabetical order--but found that uppercase and lowercase sorted separately. There should be an option for case-insensitive sort. with the latest nightly (10-24) i can customize the toolbar, but after clicking done the menubar is disabled as well as the 'Customize...' option in the toolbar popup... this is very annoying because i have to restart phoenix to use my bookmarks... (locationbar and other popupmenus still work) There seems to be numerous problems with the 10/24 nightly, as shown by several msgs in the Phoenix General forum. 10/23 seems much more stable. I want to use the ComposIte chrome overlay in Phoenix, but the Ctrl-e conflicts with the downloads sidebar. I don't even know if the ComposIte would have worked anyway, but I really like it, and I like PPhoenix as well, so is it possible to use both ? http://composite.mozdev.org/ Composite uses a striped down Composer... which is removed in Phoenix. I really like composite too, but don't think it will come back. Maybe the Composer could be instalable as an XPI someday? I think what you will eventually see is that Mozilla will become a Suite more like Microsoft Office. That is to say, each component that is currently part of Mozilla will be seperated out. So we have Phoenix, the browser, Thunderbird, the email client, etc. I really like this concept, since I only use the browser and email clients. I have no use for Composer and rarely have used Chatzilla. Having the option to install just the components that I use would rock. |