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Phoenix 0.4 Release Set for This Week

Monday October 21st, 2002

Blake Ross writes: "The Phoenix team would like to release a Phoenix 0.4 this week. Please tell us what we need to do for that to happen. We still plan on doing some more size reduction (in keeping with our milestone trend of ever shrinking builds). We also need to fix some bugs in menubar customization. As always, the team will be keeping a close eye on the discussion here and in the forums."


#1 What needs to be fixed

by Magpie

Monday October 21st, 2002 9:52 AM

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Most of the things that you targeted for 0.4 seem to be in now, and it's on the right track... there are a couple things related to fonts and stylesheets that are missing, that are in mozilla for dom compliance (the options for setting fantasy and cursive fonts) and changing stylesheets through some implimentation, but neither of those are worth a delay.

#2 Phoenix it Grrrrrr-eat...

by _rgw_ <webbs@fayette.net>

Monday October 21st, 2002 9:53 AM

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The pre-0.4 builds are great, except one glinch. The resizer doesn't disappear when I maximize in the 2002102008 build. I have to mouseover the resizer to make it vanish.

#3 Oh, BTW...

by robdogg

Monday October 21st, 2002 10:52 AM

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Bugzilla notified me today that the toolbar can now finally be docked to the menu bar. Great work.

Finally, the space to the right of the menu will have some use.

#4 Sidebar state?

by jeti

Monday October 21st, 2002 11:50 AM

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Does the sidebar remember its state by now? Is the uninstall functionality for extensions implemented?

Those are the improvements I'd like to see most. Also the Open/Save dialog on Linux needs better icons. BTW I'm seriously impressed by the reduced memory foodprint.

Keep on the good work!

#5 Re: Sidebar state?

by jeti

Monday October 21st, 2002 11:52 AM

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> foodprint

Freudian slip?

#6 Language pack support and style sheet switcher

by KDPJE <kleinduijmpje@onetelnet.nl>

Monday October 21st, 2002 2:15 PM

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As stated by Magpie I'm missing the 'Style Sheet' switcher that used to be under the View menu and I'm wondering where/how one is to get and change language packs. I started tinkering with a Dutch translation by changing some DTD files within en-US.jar but of course this should be a seperate file (yes I know there is also the Win en Mac and Unix one). And easy switcher within the GUI is necessar though. Somewhere within the Preferences perhaps. And no I wouldn't call this bloating the preference panel.

#7 Sidebar

by SbooX

Monday October 21st, 2002 3:18 PM

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Sidebar isn't returning to its previous state after a restart in the nightly I just downloaded. It does work though when opening new windows. Is it still planned to have 0.4's sidebar remember its state between uses?

Otherwise, you guys f*cking rock. I love being able to put my toolbar stuff in with the menu. Keep it up guys!

P.S. Can anyone recomend a Win32 based IMAP compatible email client? I don't seem to need Mozilla Mail anymore and need something to tide me over till Thunderbird. :P

#18 maybe 1.0.1 will have the icons

by thegoldenear

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 5:43 AM

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"P.S. Can anyone recomend a Win32 based IMAP compatible email client?"

Pegasus Mail

<http://www.pmail.com/>

the best email client available for Windows

(also has a complimentary mail transport system, by the same author, called Mercury, if you need to setup email for lots of people within the same organisation)

#8 where's the chevrons in phoenix and mozilla?

by mbokil

Monday October 21st, 2002 4:00 PM

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Hey, like where are the chevrons to show 'more' on menubars when items are cropped? Can someone that knows what they are doing with XUL add these to the Mozilla build so the UI blends in more with KDE and Gnome. I am just busting your chops. You guys rock. I love Phoenix. I am suprised Jenny Craig hasn't chimed in yet complaining about the BLUI. Possibly a tagline for Phoenix could be 'less bloat, more browser'. ;-)

#9 Re: where's the chevrons in phoenix and mozilla?

by DJGM2002

Monday October 21st, 2002 5:49 PM

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The troll (Jenny Craig) got bored and decided to go back under her bridge with all the other trolls!

#20 Re: Re: where's the chevrons in phoenix and mozill

by fletchsod

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 8:00 AM

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No, the troll, Jenny Craig are being blocked or his/her posting are being removed. I read about that somewhere.

#10 Any chance of doing a xft release too?

by mintSlice

Monday October 21st, 2002 6:58 PM

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It would be great if phoenix could also be supplied with a xft enabled version too.

I know that you can compile it, but it's a lot of work if you don't know what you are doing and time is short.

#11 Search directly in url bar

by omidk <omidk@email.com>

Monday October 21st, 2002 7:23 PM

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I would like to see the ability to search by pressing down in the url bar brought back to phoenix. I understand that there is a seperate search bar but why bother with that when i can just press ctrl-l type my search then search right from there? It also takes up unnecessary space. Anyway, thanks for the great work so far!

#12 re: Search directly in url bar

by neil

Monday October 21st, 2002 9:02 PM

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ctrl-l 'google <your term>' works for me.

#13 Search in page

by IriseLenoir

Monday October 21st, 2002 9:47 PM

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I think he ment search in current page from the location bar. That's the feature I would like, anyway. Something like the ability to create a "javascript: QuickSearch('%s')" keyword (which does not work, I tried ;-) ) I checked the code for this search function, but it's too complex for my very limited knowledge of js and limited time and interest to figure it out. Being able to search bookmarks and history with url keywords and have the result displayed in the current tab (a plugged bookmark/history manager without the menu) would be awesome features too. That would be an awesome time saver no other browser has and that would demonstrate the flexibility of XUL. I figure it wouldn't be too hard to do for someone who knows the stuff.

#23 Favicon Bug

by djonce

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 1:37 PM

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If you are just looking to search in the page, you can use the emacs-like type-ahead to do that... Type a / then type what you are looking for. It doesn't have to be a link, it can be any word in the page!

#28 Re: Search directly in url bar

by jahirul

Wednesday October 23rd, 2002 3:08 AM

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please bring back the location bar search functionality.

#33 Re: Re: Search directly in url bar

by jahirul

Thursday October 24th, 2002 6:41 AM

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ok, I figured out how this works.

Add the following line in pref.js file when phoenix is not running. Restart and Phoenix will show search results page from Google instead of taking you to Google's "I am feeling lucky" site.

user_pref("keyword.URL", "<http://www.google.com/search?q=>")

#32 Re: Search directly in url bar

by Balboa

Thursday October 24th, 2002 6:10 AM

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Typing a word into the location bar to search still kinda works for me (obviously for single words, it tries to find a site first). But now it seems to jump straight to the first site given by the search (like Google's I'm feeling lucky option). It would be nice to just show the normal search results page.

#14 DOM Inspector?

by rcmoz

Monday October 21st, 2002 11:15 PM

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In Mozilla and in Phoenix, how do you go straight to the DOM inspector without opening the browser? Is there a command line shortcut?

#16 Re: DOM Inspector?

by turi

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 4:19 AM

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Try ./mozilla --help Gives you among other things:

-chat Start with an IRC chat client -addressbook Start with the addressbook. -news Start with news. -jsconsole Start with Javascript Console -venkman Start with JavaScript Debugger. -edit <url> Start with editor. -chrome <url> Load the specified chrome. -mail Start with mail. -compose <url> Start with messenger compose.

#17 Re: Re: DOM Inspector?

by turi

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 4:20 AM

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Oh well, the linebreaks have gone...

#15 CTRL-Q doesn't quit anymore (Linux)

by Dehumanizer

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 2:49 AM

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I have to use CTRL-W to close all tabs and windows... or use the mouse.

#19 Re: CTRL-Q doesn't quit anymore (Linux)

by mlei

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 7:53 AM

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This is definitely a good thing. I don't know how many people I've heard complain that they lost work accidentally pushing C-q when they meant C-w.

#21 Bookmark Focus Issue

by cyd

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 11:51 AM

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The bookmarks focus loss bug is really annoying for me, and I would be glad to see it fixed:

<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173333>

#22 Mouse Gestures

by pimeys

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 1:25 PM

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I would love to see some Opera-like mouse gestures in Phoenix. Right mouse button + left goes back, left + right goes forward, etc. etc.

Also some better keys for changing the previous/next tab would be nice. The best solution is to let the user choose his/her own keys.

#24 Re: Mouse Gestures

by beastie

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 3:02 PM

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> I would love to see some Opera-like mouse gestures in Phoenix. Right mouse button > + left goes back, left + right goes forward, etc. etc.

OptiMoz: <http://optimoz.mozdev.org>

> Also some better keys for changing the previous/next tab would be nice. The best > solution is to let the user choose his/her own keys.

You've got a choice of two different combinations, isn't that enough? Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown and Ctrl+[Shift+]Tab

#25 If I can dream...

by io333 <iolinux333@yahoo.com>

Tuesday October 22nd, 2002 11:43 PM

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Something I have been dreaming of since I happened upon Mozilla years ago, that I wish could be tacked into Phoenix:

A full-screen button on the toolbar *and* A bookmark sidebar opening button.

IE has this, but not by default. It has to be "customized" in. Hardly anyone knows about it.

When I have those two things, I *never* need to touch the keyboard and it is the reason that I continue to boot back over to windows all the time. I just get tired of having to reach over to the keyboard so often to click on a bookmark, or increase the visible browsing area.

Just dreaming I guess...

#26 'Nearly Standards Mode'

by cdn

Wednesday October 23rd, 2002 2:01 AM

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> A full-screen button on the toolbar *and* A bookmark sidebar opening button.

well the latter is available on Phoenix, but again, requires a customisation of the toolbar

#27 of course 'If I can dream...' isn't 'Nearly ...'

by cdn

Wednesday October 23rd, 2002 2:03 AM

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silly form field retention

#30 If I can dream...

by io333 <iolinux333@yahoo.com>

Thursday October 24th, 2002 1:56 AM

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I just found the bookmark button & posted a similar comment on the forums. Still hoping for that fullscreen button though. Also, it would be nice to have a hotspot to the left so I could just swish my mouse over & have the bookmark sidebar open automatically, and then close automatically after I click on a bookmark link.

#29 Proxy configuration

by jhatax <manoj_r_mehta@yahoo.co.uk>

Wednesday October 23rd, 2002 4:42 PM

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Is there a possibility for there to be a pref so that phoenix can be configured to use 1 proxy for all protocols?

Other than that, everyone I have recommended Phoenix to seems to like what they are using.

#31 But report

by io333 <iolinux333@yahoo.com>

Thursday October 24th, 2002 1:58 AM

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In fullscreen mode, I have a number of bookmarks on the top bar next to the address line so I can just click on my most heavily used ones and be right at the page. When I do this, sometimes the little icon (supplied by the web page the bookmark points to) changes to some other pages icon, or goes away entirely.

Also, it would be nice to be able to just do away with the icons entirely and allow seperators instead, so I could fit more marks in there.

#34 Remember desktop location

by neilparks1

Thursday October 24th, 2002 3:19 PM

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I like to keep my browser in the lower right corner of my desktop, so that icons across the top and down the left side will be readily available. But Phoenix seens to prefer starting in the upper left.

#35 Remember desktop location

by neilparks1

Thursday October 24th, 2002 3:20 PM

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I like to keep my browser in the lower right corner of my desktop, so that icons across the top and down the left side will be readily available. But Phoenix seens to prefer starting in the upper left.

#36 Alphabet soup

by neilparks1

Thursday October 24th, 2002 3:22 PM

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I tried to sort my bookmarks in alphabetical order--but found that uppercase and lowercase sorted separately. There should be an option for case-insensitive sort.

#37 bug with customize toolbar

by ruudd

Friday October 25th, 2002 2:22 AM

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with the latest nightly (10-24) i can customize the toolbar, but after clicking done the menubar is disabled as well as the 'Customize...' option in the toolbar popup...

this is very annoying because i have to restart phoenix to use my bookmarks... (locationbar and other popupmenus still work)

#39 problems with 10/24 nightly

by neilparks1

Friday October 25th, 2002 9:38 AM

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There seems to be numerous problems with the 10/24 nightly, as shown by several msgs in the Phoenix General forum. 10/23 seems much more stable.

#42 Re: problems with 10/24 nightly

by ruudd

Sunday October 27th, 2002 1:22 AM

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there were indeed more problems with that build, now I'm using the 1026 build and the bugs I found in 1024 seems to be repaired!

Keep up the great work Phoenix team!

#38 ComposIte chrome overlay in Phoenix ?

by runeb <baggetun@netscape.net>

Friday October 25th, 2002 7:17 AM

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I want to use the ComposIte chrome overlay in Phoenix, but the Ctrl-e conflicts with the downloads sidebar. I don't even know if the ComposIte would have worked anyway, but I really like it, and I like PPhoenix as well, so is it possible to use both ?

<http://composite.mozdev.org/>

#40 Composer

by IriseLenoir

Saturday October 26th, 2002 12:23 AM

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Composite uses a striped down Composer... which is removed in Phoenix. I really like composite too, but don't think it will come back. Maybe the Composer could be instalable as an XPI someday?

#41 Composer

by zevious

Saturday October 26th, 2002 9:20 AM

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I think what you will eventually see is that Mozilla will become a Suite more like Microsoft Office. That is to say, each component that is currently part of Mozilla will be seperated out. So we have Phoenix, the browser, Thunderbird, the email client, etc.

I really like this concept, since I only use the browser and email clients. I have no use for Composer and rarely have used Chatzilla.

Having the option to install just the components that I use would rock.