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Mozilla Support an Option in Adobe SVG Viewer Poll

Tuesday October 15th, 2002

loic writes: "If you want to have an influence over the development of the Adobe SVG plugin, you can vote for the feature you would like to have in the next release. The 'Mozilla support' choice is available!"

The poll is hosted by the SVG Developers forum at Yahoo! Groups and you must be a member to vote. More details are available in this message (accessible to everyone). Note that Adobe has not made a commitment to implement the winning feature in a future version of Adobe SVG Viewer.

More details about Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) are available from the W3C, mozilla.org and Adobe.


#1 native support for SVG

by Hanno <Hanno@kscfans-siegen.de>

Tuesday October 15th, 2002 12:54 PM

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when will Mozilla's native support for SVG and SMIL be ready to make the need for a plugin superfluous?

#2 Re: native support for SVG

by MXN

Tuesday October 15th, 2002 3:16 PM

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For SVG, it'll probably be quite some time, because only one person, Alex Fritze, is doing a majority of the implementation.

- MXN <http://mxn.netfirms.com/index.html>

#3 Why should we vote for SVG-in-a-plugin?

by Tomer

Tuesday October 15th, 2002 3:24 PM

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... If we gonna get the same in the Mozilla code, free of commerical code? It's better just to wait to the native SVG, ain't it?

Anyway, native-SVG can (probably) give us more, like SVG themes, and with less resoures.

#4 Re: Why should we vote for SVG-in-a-plugin?

by pdc

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 4:37 AM

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The Mozilla support for SVG is going to take a long, long time to arrive. SVG has a very powerful graphics model, and this means that making an efficient, complete implementation requires a lot of experience with 2D graphics and a lot of programmer time. Adobe's Illustrator and PhotoShop teams give them a huge advantage when it comes to creating SVG software...

#6 well, and the fact that adobe HAVE a team...

by leafdigital

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 6:58 AM

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Adobe are paying the developers who produce their SVG plugin. Is anybody (AOL, IBM, ...) even funding mozilla's SVG effort? Or is it just one brave soul working on his/her own?

As I understand it, internal SVG support is a huge step over use of a plug-in. (That shouldn't really be the case, as it would be much better if things like MathML and SVG could be developed as independent components that fed directly into the Mozilla rendering system etc - but I believe the plugin interface is not powerful enough for that.)

But from what I can tell, native SVG support is unlikely to reach a quality state (full implementation of all relevant portions of 1.0) within the next year or two, as nobody's funding its development.

--sam

#9 What I don't understand...

by mozineAdmin

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 9:55 AM

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...is why Adobe isn't working with the browser makers to get native SVG support into the browser itself. If they want to compete against Flash, what better way than having SVG as the default vector display method in the browser?

#5 Why should you vote?

by skeeter

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 4:48 AM

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Why shouldn't you vote? Because it is there and they are simply asking--

'What feature would you most like to see in a future release of Adobe SVG Viewer?'

You are allowed one response from about thirty and one of them is--

'Mozilla support'

Let's take the situation of the Adobe Acrobat Reader. What would it be like if it didn't work in Mozilla and then they (Adobe) asked, hey who wants that our reader works in Mozilla?

Enough said, please go and vote.

#7 personal data

by TheK <kl@3dots.de>

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 7:18 AM

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is it possible to vote without giving Yahoo all this personal data? Btw. such in login would be illegal in Germany, here you aren't allowed to ask any data, which isn't required for the login - not even optional. The USA should copy that law!

#8 Re: personal data

by Gunnar

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 9:09 AM

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Um, what personal data ? If you want to register with Yahoo, you need to give them some personal data, which is perfectly legal (in Germany, too). When logging in, you don't need to answer any of their "how many cars do you own" questions - I never do.

#10 Re: personal data

by GAThrawn

Wednesday October 16th, 2002 10:35 AM

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But the point is that because the US has no data protection laws once you've given them that little bit of personal information to create a login they can do anything they want with it.

This is a complete contrast to Europe where member states like the UK and Germany have had data protection laws for years (the UK's Data Protection Act was created in 1984) and EU-wide data protection laws have recently come into force. This means that any personal data that any European business collects is subject to a lot of strict laws concerning what they can (and can't) do with it. So (amongst other things) they can't reveal it to any other company without your permission, and if you ask them they must allow you to inspect all personal data that they hold on you, and you have the rigt to get any erroneous data corrected.

#11 does the Netscape 4 plug-in work?

by nguyen_alex

Friday October 18th, 2002 3:23 AM

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<http://www.adobe.com/svg/…ndepth/pdfs/ReadMewin.pdf>

says the Windows Netscape 4 plugin should work with browsers that support Netscape-style plug-ins. Can anyone confirm this with Mozilla or Netscape 6/7?