Phoenix 0.2 Release Set for Tomorrow

Monday September 30th, 2002

Blake Ross writes: "The Phoenix team is targeting a 0.2 milestone for tomorrow, October 1st. Please bang on the nightlies. 0.2 will feature a ton of new stuff, including a replacement for Mozilla's Form Manager, a redesigned Sidebar, a redesigned Download Manager (available as a Sidebar panel), improved toolbar customization (you can now add space and flexible space and a bunch of new buttons), an add-on manager, and a new search/find-in-page bar. Importing of bookmarks has been fixed, too."

Before filing bugs, take heed of Blake's advice: "If the issue seems obvious, we probably already know about it! For example, yes — we know that many of the new buttons are missing icons in some or all modes. We are desperately in need of an artist."

#10 Re: Bloat?

by Blake <>

Monday September 30th, 2002 7:09 PM

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This comment doesn't really make any sense. Let me break it into its nonsensical components and address each:

* Does anyone actually use the sidebar? Yes. If you used the history window, you'll now use the history sidebar, because the history window is gone (no bloat there, a trade-off). If you used the download manager, you'll now use the download sidebar, because the download manager window is gone (no bloat there, another trade-off). The sidebar itself was about 10 lines of code; this is not "bloat." When you start Phoenix 0.2, the first thing you'll notice is that you don't notice much new. A lot has been added behind the scenes, but the default configuration (that which most users will use) remains simple.

* You refer to add-ons as bloat; I don't even know where to begin here. What we're working on for Phoenix 0.2 is the /ability/ to install add-ons. The entire point of this is to /reduce/ bloat while still satisfying the greatest number of end users. If we didn't work on add-on support, we'd be including many add-ons in the default build -- and /that/ would be bloat.

* Phoenix isn't even halfway to 1.0. In any well-run project, you do the heavy lifting (new feature work, redesigns) at the beginning and taper off as you approach 1.0. We're still at the beginning.

* The fact that you will see Phoenix's build size decrease over the coming milestones as its featureset grows doesn't support your assertion that "Pnoenix[sic] already seems to be getting too bloated."