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Phoenix Nightly Builds Now Available

Thursday September 5th, 2002

Nightly builds of Phoenix are now available for download from ftp.mozilla.org. Builds are currently only available for Linux and Windows.

Phoenix (formerly known as mozilla/browser) is a redesign of the Mozilla browser component. It is not related to Project Piglet (also previously known as mozilla/browser), which was forked from pre-Phoenix mozilla/browser code.

Thanks to Asa Dotzler for the news.

UPDATE! Also check out the Phoenix project page which has some more information about the project.


#55 Closed

by SubtleRebel <mark@ky.net>

Sunday September 8th, 2002 2:32 AM

You are replying to this message

Apparently you just have a very closed mind regarding the word closed.

"He was correct that there was a time when phoenix developers were't soliciting bug reports for the Phoenix UI. This was because bug reports wouldn't have been useful."

The reason _why_ they closed the door on receiving bug reports is irrelevant; the fact remains that that door was closed. All amutch did was ask if that door had been openned.

"There were a few files among tens of thousands in Phoenix where bug reports and other participation wasn't being solicited. "

Those few "limited access" files were all that made it Phoenix instead of Mozilla; the other "tens of thousands" of files were the foundation that the Phoenix project was being built on. As I said before, you can build a closed project that is 99% Mozilla. Your argument that changes to Mozilla automatically affect any project built from Mozilla is simply not true; if my project removed the Tools menu and you checked in code to add an item to the Tools menu, my project would not be affected. Also if you made a change to Mozilla that I did not want in my project then all I have to do is make a patch to my project that overrides your code. Or at any point I can make my own branch off of Mozilla so that no new Mozilla patches would have any affect on my project. I would have absolute control over what did and did not go into my project regardless of the fact that it was based upon open source; because I would have that control, I think it would be fair for someone to say that my project is closed to outsiders.

There all kinds of way that a project can be closed, but for some reason you seem to believe that the only way that saying "closed project" is the same thing as saying "closed source project." Personally I think that the extra word adds extra meaning.

Regardless I am done with this discussion.