Mozilla 1.0 RC3 ReleasedThursday May 23rd, 2002mozilla.org today released what they hope to be the final release candidate prior to shipping 1.0. The majority of the changes between RC2 and RC3 are crash fixes in all areas of the client. We presume that if crash data over the weekend is positive, mozilla.org could release Mozilla 1.0 as early as next week. Keep watching MozillaZine for news on 1.0 over the weekend, and for its release. You download RC3 from mozilla.org's releases page or from the FTP site, or check out the release notes. This is utterly disappointing. I guess HTML 2.0 is still too advanced for the browser world. See bug 138496, Or maybe it's just a feature nobody wants / needs? I hope, that this is not for long, because i got used to it very mutch @ bugzilla Its definitely an useful feature. Try browsing some documentation stuff that has automatically generated links between various levels and you'll definitely like the navigation features. The point is, that this /really/ doesn't need to be in before the API freeze. It's an internal component, that should be relatively easy to drop in to, say, 1.1 . It's quite right to pull it if it's making a significant overhead problem (as it appears to be doing), and put it back in when a more graceful solution is found... Instead of using the RC builds of Mozilla 1.0 I have been using the nightly trunk builds. Go to View->Show/Hide->Site Navigation Bar. It is still there. Hopefully this means the feature will remain. It is possible that the decision to remove the site navigation bar has not reached the trunk builds yet. Instead of using the RC builds of Mozilla 1.0 I have been using the nightly trunk builds. Go to View->Show/Hide->Site Navigation Bar. It is still there. Hopefully this means the feature will remain. It is possible that the decision to remove the site navigation bar has not reached the trunk builds yet. 1) Open the Jar file named comm.jar 2) extract the file navigator.xul in \content\navigator 3) add the following processor instruction: >?xul-overlay href="chrome://navigator/content/linkToolbarOverlay.xul"?< 4) note: I put mine with the other Pis - you'll see... The forum killed my text! arg.... Here's the processing instruction: <?xul-overlay href="chrome://navigator/content/linkToolbarOverlay.xul"?> ^I hope that works.... Big Mozilla fan, I'm not trying to flame or anything, but Mozila froze on launch the first 4 or 5 times I tried it. It doesn't seem compatible with LittleMozilla theme (lot's of junky icons on that the bottom status bar). Although that's hardly a bug and probably I just need an updated LittleMozilla -- I wish the XUL was stable enough to work by now. The freezing issue seems to have fixed itself. Overall, I'd say it's a big credit to Mozilla if this is the worst build I've used. The other builds were flawless though, so I've raised the bar a bit. did you remove your old profile? I didn't think I need to in order to upgrade from RC2. I haven't had to for the previous 10 times I've upgraded Mozilla. I Just updated Little Mozilla at the Mozdev Themes site http://themes.mozdev.org/ to Alfred Kayser's latest version. Very disappointed about the 'What's new' section in the release notes ... :-( What were the security related bugs just fixed ??? showing still no release date for RC2 and not even mentioning RC3. (<http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html>). Pretty unprofessional, pretty bad impression. Pretty hard-pressed to care.. We care more about getting RC3 and 1.0 out the door in good shape than updating the roadmap. We'd like to everything and do it all professionally, but it's not possible. And there are lots of things that only take a little time that we would like to get done as well, but the aggregate amount of time required exceeds what we have available. So yes, we hope to do better. Would I have traded staff time tracking and fixes bugs for RC3 to get the roadmap updated? No. Mitchell I mean, I looked at how complicated it would be: "click edit this page", enter the date, check into CVS, ready. This is *less* than it cost you to post your comment here. On the other hand, most people reviewing mozilla will look at that page, many users and interested people will look there, so i think it *does* have a fairly high impact of influencing the impression people have of mozilla. Dont forget, mozilla has already a reputation of being a geek's/hacker's browser with many people and this will just add to it. I totally agree. Updating that page cant take much time, still, they dont seem to think its important with one exception: Under Linux, every time I click on a menu, the mouse pointer becomes a cross. This includes context menus and bookmark menu. You will see this only if you do not have KDE or sawfish. A patch for bug 133387 exists, even qualified as low risk by blizzard. So why don't we see this in 1.0? The reason I'm so mad about it is that it's a regression, introduced in moz1.0rc1 8 or 9 hours ago, I downloaded the 20020523 1.0.0 Branch nightly. Is this Nightly identical to RC3 or are there some differences? ... how can they release RC3 when in the tracking bug for RC3 are still some unresolved bugs? >make RC3 not suck (or "are we having fun yet?" or "last one, really.")< http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143200 Because they decided to release RC3. The bug you refer to is a tracking bug that somewhat reflects Asa's desires for the release; it is not a list of bugs to define RC3 by. Some of the bugs that are still marked "open" have been patched for the branch - for example, bug 133601 was patched for the branch but is still open because there are apparently open issues for the bug (and it may still be open on the trunk). At least one of the other open bugs I can't look at, and another one seems to be somewhat unreliable to reproduce. I don't know if there is knowledge about that last one that isn't mentioned in the bug itself that might have made it reasonable to leave the bug "open" but to decide that it wasn't important enough to fix for the branch (or didn't affect RC3). As has been noted before, relying on which bugs are marked "open" can be misleading - often they don't affect a partular branch when there are workarounds checked into the branch that don't exist on the trunk, often they're more like "enhancements" than like real "errors", often they only affect certain rare case, and a whole laundry list of other possible explanations. We can debate about how reasonable the bug management and tagging functions are, but it's quite true that the bug tracking system can quite easily give you misleading impressions. --Bruce http://www.thexfiles.com/news/index.htm I remembered visiting this site in Netscape 6.2.x, and the page looked fine, but in NS7.0PR1 and Moz RC3, some comment tags and extraneous images appear. I'm guessing the page is not valid, so did Gecko significantly change between 0.9.4 and the 1.0 RCs or is this an isolated case? That's actually bad commenting on part of the website. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102127#c16 for more details. That is really good news, "It used to be treated as quirks. In standards mode, we parse HTML comments according to the standard and not according to what NS4/IE do." Is this in the release notes or documented some where? A lot of folks over at Nick's TopStyle newsgroups (and other CSS groups of course) would really be interested in this. I don't know about documentation on parsing comments in standards mode, but you can check to see how the page you are currently viewing is being parsed (Standards/Quirks) by going to page info. This site for example it says "Render Mode: Quirks mode" I see what you mean. I copied this page into an editor and added <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> That changed it into "Standards compliance mode". This page has <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">. and as you said, it is in quirk mode. By the way it sure looks better in Standard Compliance. IMHO > did Gecko significantly change? Gecko changed not at all. The HTML parser changed to properly detect standards/quirks mode based on doctype (there was a bug in the detection before). The page is now treated as standards mode (since the doctype is bogus, hence unknown). It used to be treated as quirks. In standards mode, we parse HTML comments according to the standard and not according to what NS4/IE do. They fixed a context munu jumping bug, and I am really glad to see this. But when you clack on a bookmark from the personal toolbar the bookmarks button stil satys highlited until you mave the cursor on it again. This is an really annoying bug IMO, but atleast they fixed 1 of em. 1 down, 1 to go. does anyone know if the problem with the bookmarks button remaining highlighted is present in netscape 7pr1?! if so, in time for mozilla release 1.0, there should at least be a workaround, if not a fix! :) I tried but couldn't find it. Of course I a am not very good at working with bugzilla so I probobly missed it. what I meant to say is of course: if it's NOT present, there should be a fix/workaround in time for 1.0! :) Just wondering if it includes the recent fix for http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133044 is in this release? How do I change the bookmark folders to display in multiple columns instead of having those annoying scroll arrows at the top and bottom of each bookmark list? Also, how do I get a bookmark to open in a new tab instead of replacing the current window? BTW: I'm accessing my bookmarks via the bookmark toolbar. I have multiple bookmark folders on my bookmark toolbar, so it's easy to get to many of my bookmarks. I'm using Windows 2000, if that makes a difference. there's got to be an easy user support forum of some sorts. there are quite a few things that the help doesn't address, neither are they in this forum. Things like always opening new windows as tabs, etc. Is there a user FAQ somewhere? Like the UFAQ http://www.ufaq.org/ for the older Netscape browsers? One is in draft at http://velvet.net/~fun/mozilla/faq1.0rc2.html (temporary link) - this will be linked from the forthcoming 1.0 start page. Comments welcome. It's been a hit on both the developer and user newsgroups so far. I couldn't find anything about changing bookmarks to display in multiple columns other than other people complaining about the same problem. I guess I'll have to search the bug list for this bug, or submit it along with the NEW message flag being reset on messages when downloading more new mail bug. I also really don't like the new scrolling bookmark menu. I would like to see an option added to Mozilla 1.1 or 2.0 that allows you to change to the older multi-column method. Even if it is only available through the user.js file or as an add-on. To get the bookmarks improved, add your vote to bug 45700 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45700 You can also vote for my other "favorite" bugs: Missing Location toolbar in the Mail/News http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?bug_id=21344 Message status "New" cleared on POP3 download http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147307 - Eric, http://www.InvisibleRobot.com/ Ignore... My first question is: does anyone else have problems when clicking a link the browser sometimes jumps to http://apps5.oingo.com/apps/domainpark/domainpark.cgi?s=find&dp_lp=7&cid=GOTO6262&dp_format=1.3&dp_p4pid=idealab&dp_own=Idealab&dp_cm=_b&dp_c1=000099 This is driving me insane. It happens sometimes when I start up the browser it will first load netscape.com up and a split second later it will jump to apps5.oingo.com. I am on Win Xp. The second question is how come the fill in form is no longer on the right-click sensitive menu on pages with forms? Now I have to go up to tools/form manager and click fill in form from there. Thanks! http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&email1=&emailtype1=substring&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=substring&emailreporter2=1&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=oingo&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&keywords=&keywords_type=anywords&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&newqueryname=&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time Thanks for the links and the response. They are sort of the same, but different. I do not have imap and the mail window itself doesn't cause the find search to happen. Sometimes in a message, if I click a link, it will bring up the apps5. oingo.com page. I then have to right click the link in the message and copy the link and then paste it into the browser window. Then the correct page shows. Sometimes it happens when I click a link on a web page, too. What seems to work to get around it is to right click and pick to open the link in a new tab. The correct page will then be displayed in the tab. Actually, the apps5.oingo.com problem was happening so much that I backed down to RC2. The problem does not happen at all in RC2. I tried to download and install RC3 a couple of times, but still have problems with that stupid apps5.oingo.com I have the very same problem, so i typed into google "apps5.oingo" and "mozilla" and i landed here, so seems i am not alone. i fired up the packet sniffer and it seems there is all sorts of communications going on between the mozilla browser and netscape mainly retrieving rdf files from "mychannelvip.netscape.com" and "mychannelvip2.netscape.com" now if i switch between tabs in the sidebar and particular when i hit "history" mozilla tries to contact "find.com" this exists and uses "ns1.idealab.com" as the dns, the dns returns to "redirect.la.idealab.com" ,the web server responds with a 302 and redirects to apps5.oingo.com which is a domain park if i close mozilla this redirection does not happen indicating it is not from spyware (checked with adaware to be safe) and is local to Mozilla no information is sent to find.com wondering why the redirect is happening ? all the sites involved have now been added to my firewall so now i just get the annoying alert box "the connection was refused" (why mozilla uses an alert box for this ill never know) hope this answers a few questions but doesnt anwer why "find.com" is being contacted, a little research on idealab shows they are also responsible for newdotnet the invalid domain service , but a search on my system manually and using adaware does not show their files installed and as their components would also affect internet explorer showing up in the packet sniffer while running IE which it _doesnt_ leading to the conclusion this again is Mozilla only related i too would like some answers to whats going on as i don't wish to wade through 100k lines of source using RC3 2002052306 winXP The same thing happens under Linux, so it's definitely something in Mozilla. Looking at the DNS requests, it seems that Mozilla is trying to open "find", and it pretty much seems to walk through your resolver's search list looking for "find", and failing that, it defaults to looking for www.<whatever>.com, just like Mozilla will do if you just typed in 'find' in the URL-field. Now, why it tries to load "find" when you open the history tab in the sidebar is another question. It could be an honest mistake, or something more sinister. No, it's a bug as detailed here: "http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34943". If you really hate it, you can try to fix it following the instructions here: "http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/". Or just wait for the bug fix :) [using build 2002053012] - maybe later builds have already fixed it, I don't know. Thanks for the info and the response. Would Mozilla put the spyware on? It only happens with RC3. I have never had any problems with previous versions and actually have backed down to RC2 because the apps5.ongo.com thng was driving me insane. Yes, I am really interested in trying and using linux. To be honest I do not know too much about using Linux. I have looked over versions in the store and almost bought SUSE 8.0, but was talked out of it temporarily from the clerk. Yes, I have read about Microsoft installing spyware, too. I remember something about media player giving info to Microsoft. I do have a win 2k system, too. No, I don't have IE 6.0 on it. Actually, I would love to get an Apple, but the hardware seems so behind a PC. The Apple advocates keep on claiming that an Apple is still faster. I do not know. I want to see what Steve Jobs announces at the Apple expo in July. I figure it has to be some new G4 because they starting giving rebates on teh systems right now. Well, anyway now I am rambling.... you have for sure some spy/ad-ware on your computer, i guess that they replaced the winsock.dll os something and change some http requests for their paid pub they work almost like virus, and some are really treat as virus by the antivirus companies i sugest 2 things... get the "ad-aware" from lavasoft to try to remove most of the spy/ads software... if you install software, sooner or later you will have this again or worst... my best sugestion is to skip windows and install some linux or *BSD OS ps: by the way, if you dont know already, winxp is too a spy-ware, it is always talking with M$ sites, during all those little things, like listen mp3 or CDs, search the net or you computer, open a file or the office, etc M$ might know more things about you than your mother... if you have to have windows, try at least win2k, as it was a little better (but dont install IE6.0) 10628K for Windows I'd hope Mozilla keep under 9999K. it would make it look like much more smaller then the 5 digit size. When mozilla is already running, $ mozilla <URL> no longer opens a new window at URL, but pops a profile choosing dialog forcing you to create a new profile, otherwise the window won't open. That makes URL handling (e.g.) in "Evolution" quite unusable. It appears as if the mozilla command is now creating a new instance of mozilla, not only creating a new window. PS: Evolution runs "galeon" by default, but this is a link to mozilla in my case. URL handling was working up to RC2. Hm, found a quick hack. "galeon" is no longer a link to "mozilla", but a script #!/bin/sh mozilla -remote openURL\($1,new-window\) From http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=SeaMonkey-Branch : "2002-05-23: RC3 is being tagged. After RC3, the branch will remain closed until Mozilla 1.0 ships. We're hoping RC3 will be good enough to be 1.0, and if it's not, we don't plan to accept many changes between RC3 and 1.0." i've been a mozilla user for a while and am a fan, but, were did the tool bar go? and the browser on open does not remember the user set startpage? |