"Don't open unrequested windows is gone, probably due to marketting reasons, and honestly it has some problems and causes some windows you expect to open not to open."

The hidden pref http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback/read.php?f=7&i=180&t=123 still works.

"It has a p3p config menu. But it's only accessable from a cookie flag. Which appears when a site sets a cookie without having a policy. Problem with that is, if you change the settings so that you don't get te flag, there is no way I can find to get back to that menu."

Edit > Preferences > Privacy and Security > Cookies > Enable cookies based on provacy settings > View. (Phew!)

Alex

Pop ups blocking Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Scripts and Windows > uncheck Open a Link in a New Windows

P3P Cookies: Edit > Preferences > Pricacy and Security > Cookies > Enable Cookies based on Privacy Setting > View (In my case I have it set to enable all cookies)

Modern has always been Netscape's default iirc

Classic looks like poo.

I suspect that Netscape will have a new theme for the release version.

It would be seriously silly to have the new "7.0" browser look identical to the old one.

> I'm kind of surprised that the modern theme is the default.

This is not new. Modern has been the default since the preview release for 6.0 (way back in the days when milestones started with M and you still called them "SeaMonkey", if you remember that; IE was still a load of, erm, stuff, I think, is the polite term, and Netscape 4.x was still the best browser available, unless you wanted to pay for Opera (which still cost money back then). (And before I get snide comments from the old timers, yes, I _do_ remember using Mosaic, but that was another era.)

Modern _should_ be the default, _unless_ the installer detects that the colour depth is lower than 16-bit, in which case the installer should set it to Classic, because Modern just doesn't look right in 256-colour mode. (No decent looking theme would.) (Though, in truth, modern feature-rich browsers are probably all too heavyweight in terms of resource consumption (mainly RAM) to comfortably run on most systems old enough to be running at 256 colours or less, so the theme issue may be moot in such cases.)

And whoever said "Classic looks like poo" was basically right, though I would have phrased it differently. Classic is designed to give the warm fuzzies to people who used to use Netscape 4.x. But Netscape 7.x is aiming to compete with _modern_ browsers, and Modern just looks a whole lot better. People who want the old look can always switch themes. They're more likely to know *how* to switch themes than people who wouldn't like Classic. Which brings forth an important design principle: the defaults should always cater to users who are unlikely to know how to change the defaults. The options in the preferences, however, should always cater toward people who know how to get into the prefs dialogs and change the settings around. Because the experience of end users (who are afraid to change prefs or don't know how) is governed by the defaults, but the experience of power users (who know how to change prefs) is not; they will customise the settings, if you let them, and will be pleased with their ability to do so, which improves their experience.

I would like to see a couple of additional themes ship with NS7, but it's not a big deal, as long as there's a good selection at the theme park. Most of the ones at xulplanet/deskmod will work with NS7 (though xulplanet claims they only work with RC1, they work with subsequent branch builds just fine) except for the proprietary extensions. (So, for example, you can install the Pinball theme, but your Netscape Radio button will have a regular bookmark icon instead of a music note, and similarly for the other extra addons.) So any that Netscape can get the permissions for (or that are GPLed) they should be able to relatively easily fix up with a handful of extra icons for the proprietary extras and put up on the theme park at least. Currently (last time I checked, this morning) there's nothing there yet.

I'm sure the masses appreciate that Netscape doesn't allow them to stop pop-up windows and litters their desktop with AOL icons.

maybe they should still enable the option, for they (we!) (The World!) (THE UNIVERSE!!) have to get back some marketshare. I use this. user_pref("dom.disable_open_during_load", true); Maybe i'll create my own version with the browser-distribution program, so I can recommend my own version to friends etc.

I like the idea that Netscape provides feedback forms for problems, suggestions and rating a lot. Hopefully people will use this constructively and Netscape will actually listen to it :) I hope they will keep this for the final release too.

All of the base Netscape install, plus AIM and ICQ, and then Real Player 8 and Java 1.4 (that's 8 MB right there in java), plus I'm sure the Netscape-specific customizations add a small layer of bloat (nicer looking Help files, edited modern theme, etc.)

Every time Netscape makes a release, this type of comment always comes up. If you cared to be less ignorant, you'll notice that Netscape releases contains Java, RealPlayer, etc., all in one package, so you don't need to setup the plug-ins separately after installation.

Of course, Netscape never told you to download all 30MB of it. If you follow the links from Netscape's home page, it'll lead you to the much smaller net installer, just like the one Mozilla provides.

Never mind Windows, feel the width of the full installer on Linux - a lovely 45MB. Turns out that the Java stuff is 29MB of that (cos it's 1.4) as opposed to 6.X's 14MB (cos it's 1.3).

What a bunch of anti-Netscape morons. Go back to your gnu prayers, opensource talibans. If there were no Netscape and their paid engineers and programmers, mozilla and netscape 7 wouldn't be what it is today.

The 30meg size is for the stand-alone, offline installer that you can burn to cd, put on a shared lan server, etc. It is 30mb or more because it contains EVERYTHING. The end user can then decide what he wants installed or not, but the ARCHIVE contains all components, including:

-Sun Java2 runtime -Real Player 8 basic -Wiamp 2.80 (windows) -Netscape Net2Phone

So, dumbass, the browser is not 30 mb. The browser is the same size of mozilla 1.0rc2 (in fact it is the same code with the addition of netscape code like the aim/icq sidebar, commercial spell checker, themes.

I see that some people in here carries a hatchet day and night, just in case they run into something from netscape. These mozilla fanatics can kiss my ass.

Regards Willy

I get exactly the same thing. I think it is because Netscape is being foolish and looking in the .mozilla directory instead of the .netscape directory =/ You can't share profile information between different versions of a piece of software without headaches like this occuring.

If anyone finds a fix, post it here =) I would love to try out the AIM client.

First of all, my english is very poor, so may be I'll make some mistakes writing this response... Well, here is the solution. Netscape website says that you just have to change the locale to "en_US". I'm a RedHat user and I'll supose that this problem happens in only this distribution. Just type locale_config (/usr/bin/locale_config) in a console session, type your root password and select "English (USA) en_US" in the list that is shown. Close that window (OK Button) and try to run netscape again. If you want to run netscape from the console, first close the console sesion (if it's opened) and open it again to start session with the new locale, and execute netscape.

One more time, excuse my english.

Bye, JKD

Netscape 7... Netscape 5 done right. :)

Actually I don't know if it's done right. Haven't downloaded it. But seeing as how it's based on RC2 it can't be that bad.

Netscape 5 was not really skipped. If you want it, you can still get it. It is based on the old Netscape 4.x codebase and it has lots of issues. Because of these issues, it was decided to dump it and essentially start over with a new codebase which eventually became Netscape 6.

Do you complain about the naming of Heinz 57 sauce because you never tasted the first 56 versions?

Just because you never used Netscape 5 does not mean it did not exist. So please stop saying it was skipped.

What number do you think Netscape should assign this release? Do you not agree that all the new features justify a full step up from Netscape 6?

Out of curiousity, do you think that Microsoft has numbered their IE releases appropriately? Does IE 6.0 deserve to be a full number higher than IE 5? What features and enhancements justify that change?

I went into c:\windows\application data and deleted the *Mozilla* directory and *Netscape* loaded fine.

Why haven't they renamed that directory yet? They made the same mistake with 6.

I should make it clear that the first time around, I installed Netscape w/ Mozilla and Netscape 6 still on my hard drive (although both in a different directory than where I installed Netscape 7). So, I uninstalled Mozilla, Netscape 6, and Netscape 7, and finally, there was something other than a blank window. All those problems I listed earlier were there, though.

Oh, what horror!!!! pre-defined icons in your personal toolbar.

What a bunch of morons and idiots. What do you expect, an EMPTY toolbar? Most users wont even have a clue that they can add their own stuff to that space if you just leave it empty.

And what's so hard about clicking and removing the icons??

Plus, as with all Netscape 6.x releases, I'm sure netscape will soon release their Client Customization Kit (CCK) so you can remove components at will, change splash screen/graphics if you wish so, customize the default toolbar, sidebar etc., and create your own Netscape distributions.

You sound pretty idiotic to me. Down to the Mozilla taliban aka netscape bashers!!!

My hat's off to the hard working netscape programmers and engineers.

I had this problem, but emptying the cache fixed it.

Don't. It doesn't work well. In my case the chrome or cache didn't cooperate and images wouldn't load anymore, in addition to my proxy settings resetting every single time.

Well I am doing it right now with OS X builds of the RC3 branch and Netscape PR1. So far I have not encountered any issues, but it is early yet. :)

The general rule is don't do it. I am only doing it here because this is a test machine; I am not going to do it on my daily machine where I use exclusively Mozilla.

I cannot get to install on W2K with Netscape 7.0 PR1

Has anyone had any success?

I get a new directory with

NetscapeNetscape7chromeoverlayinfomultiviewscontentoverlays.rdf

AND a new file

NetscapeNetscape7chromemultiviews.jar

but no chrome://multiviews/content/multiviews-rcx.xul

In drop down menu under Windows Multizilla is listed but clicking on it produces no effect.

Javascript is enable as are Downloads

Is there something I am doing wrong?

All suggestions gratefully received

Thanks

shipdoc

I wonder what reasons they're giving ? Is it dislike of the AOL "extras" that get lumbered in (or, indeed, the stuff that gets removed, like the option to stop pop-ups) or is it a look-and-feel issue ? Or are most of the same gripes aimed at Mozilla too ?

I have no problem with AOL releasing a Netscape that's aimed at Joe Public (it's one of *many* end-user spin-off browsers from Mozilla), although you could argue that if AOL includes Gecko in their next AOL software release, it further lessens the reason to have a Netscape browser (Mozilla and the AOL/Gecko browser covers both bases perfectly well).

My guess is that AOL wants to keep Netscape going as a "brand-enticer" - get non-AOL users using it and they might persaude some of them to switch to AOL because of the additional AOL features in Netscape compared to, well, pretty well any other browser bar AOL's own browser.

I know some people who use Linux who bizarrely refuse to use Mozilla and stick to the trusty Netscape brand (at least they're on the 6.X series now :-) And no, this is without an AOL connection before you ask) - some people will always be like that.

BTW, food for thought - with Mozilla/NS 7.X's XUL and other goodies, could an AOL client browser be written to *totally* replace the current AOL 7.0 browser ? I wonder if bods in AOL are doing exactly that - it would have an interesting side-effect: instant cross-platform code, so Mac OS, Windows, Linux and even commercial UNIXes (unlikely...) would all get the "same" AOL browser release at the same time.

Why are people always complaining? You don't _have_ to download/use it? They gave you a (finally) good alternative, let you thinker with the source and do whatever you want to with almost the whole system. Why complain? I don't get it. Use Mozilla if you want to.

Same here. I also realized that I open more web pages simultaneosly. With IE i would limit it to 10 at most. With tabbed, I usually stop only when the tabs go off screen.

Actually I build from CVS and mozilla usually crashes several times a day. What's worse is that it doesn't appear to save bookmarks until you quit, so every crash loses all the bookmarks added during that session. It used to be very stable... why would it turn so flaky during the lead up to 1.0?

netscape --version gives me

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020513 Netscape/7.0b1, build 2002051300

I tried using the netscape spellchecker with mozilla RC2 and so far, so good.

I installed the spellchecker by: installing netscape7 with option to save xpi file, opening spellchecker.xpi in mozilla, installing, restarting mozilla.

Going from past history, the Netscape 7.0 release will be tagged in CVS and you can fetch and build the Mozilla version of it. In theory that means people can build extensions to NS 7.0 as well as rip bits out to use in Mozilla - subject to compilers, licences and copyright of course.

IE says Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows 98l en-US; IE 6blahblahblahsomethingorother) Or something very close to that.. don't ask me why, but it just does, anyways the Mozilla/X.0 number represents what generation of browser it is, Both it and IE are considered 5th generation browsers, I'm not quite sure what will be the leap that defines a 6th generation browser, but its definatly going to be something different. BTW No I don't know how this standard of "mozilla" got started, but I believe the early 3.0 and 4.0 versions of netsccape used this, and for some reason the early IE copied it, and it just stuck. I believe its standardized now, I'll look it up.

Wrong. Netscape has had the same basic page design for its about: page for as long as I can remember (and I even downloaded 3.01 gold not too long ago).

I think the Windows pointer looks more like an actual hand, whereas the old Netscape one, if I remember correctly, was more blocky and stylized. I like the Windows one better.

Besides, Mozilla/Netscape should be using system cursors when available instead of rolling their own. Allows them to play nice with themes.

Does anyone know where to find the old-style cursor? I know that you can change the link cursor by setting a preference in Control Panel > Mouse > Pointers, but I just need the file to change the cursor to.

I installed NS7.0PR1 on two Win98 systems last night and have this problem on _one_ of them. The only difference in my install procedure was that on the second one (the one with the problem) I remembered to uncheck "make netscape.com my homepage" during install. In both cases I installed into a clean directory, but in both cases there were preextant Mozilla profiles (we were using 1.0 branch milestones, RC1 IIRC; on the system with the problem I've backed out 7.0PR1 and returned to the unbranded release for the time being).

Further description of symptoms: I turned on QuickLaunch, so that starts at system start time. I also have a shortcut to the browser in the Startup folder, but the browser does not open (though quicklaunch does start) when the system starts up. Right-clicking the system tray icon shows the options for the various components (Navigator &c), but they don't work, and the Exit option is disabled. There is no visible window at this time. If I then launch Navigator from a desktop icon or start menu item or quicklaunch icon, the dialog you describe appears, but a Navigator window does not appear. The close button on the dialog (either the "Close" or the X in the titlebar) has no effect. If I let this run, it _eventually_ closes (whether I tried to click a close button or not). If I terminate it via Ctrl-Alt-Del and so forth, trying to start Navigator again will cause the same symtoms, so I have to let it run its course at least once. However, while it is running (or at any time afterward), I _can_ open a navigator window, via desktop shortcut or whatever, but the eerie screen name retrieval continues in background until it finishes. Once it has finished once, I can exit NS (including the quicklaunch, if desired) and restart it, and the symptoms do not recur, _until_ I log out or restart the system, at which point it all happens again next time.

This is really eerie. Not only is it very disruptive of the user experience, but it is somewhat disturbing as well in terms of privacy issues; privacy fanatics might be well advised to stick with a different Mozilla distribution for now, until this is sorted out.

I've discovered the solution for this, and it comes from understanding the difference between the two PCs, the one where it didn't happen and the one where it did. The one where it didn't happen had previously had Netscape 6 installed, and so had had the Netscape Activation cancelled. (Having completed it would probably also work, but I'm not interested in testing that.) The PC where the problem manifested itself was newer and so had never had Netscape 6, because by the time we got it 6.2.x was so badly obsolete we were using the unbranded 0.9.9 or so for the features (print preview and so on -- which, BTW, are all now included in NS7.0PR1, which is why we're going back to the branded releases, mainly for the logos and the "Netscape" brand name; the AIM component we don't want).

So the problem is that Netscape 7 doesn't handle activation correctly and complete it, nor does it provide a UI for disabling it.

If you don't want to install Netscape 6 first to turn off activation, there's a workaround, as follows: in the directory where you installed Netscape 7, in the defaults directory, within the prefs directory, find the file all-ns.js and change the line with browser.registration.enable so that it reads false instead of true. Do this while Netscape 7 is not running. Problem goes away.

Hopefully Netscape will come out with a 7.0.1 to repair this minor issue. Activation should only be attempted once, and whether it fails or succeeds it shouldn't be done again. Should be an easy fix, and it would make a big difference. In other respects this is an excellent release; it knocks the socks off of 6.2.x in such a wide variety of ways, and it bundles the plugins and stuff (which the Mozilla releases do not), which is not an issue for powerusers but makes a big difference for a lot of end users.

Hi - I have the same problem with Netscape 7.0 and XP home edition. I turned browser.registration.enable to false at the all-ns.js, but the problem didn't change. Some other idea of fixing this? Damjan

Preface: I HATE IE 5.5 -- 6.0, but I'm still running NS 4.77, and probably will be for some time. First, installation defaults are the usual crud. I have to spend an hour or so throwing away the built-in links to NS this and NS that and AOL this and AOL that, fixing the mouse scroll wheel (it still does not seem to support the wheel-click auto-scroll mode), and although print preview is nice, I'd prefer it if printing WORKED (See comments elsewhere about printing anomalies on three-column stuff like my.yahoo.com etc.). I believe the "default" is still at 100% to cut off about 5-10 characters of each line, even if you set margins to zero! You have to check the "shrink to fit page width" box (or go landscape like you used to have to do) (and/or reset the left and right margins to 0. The screen clutter of toolbars in "classic" apparently no longer allows setting the bars to TEXT ONLY to preserve screen real estate, and even though a custom install was told NO NET2PHONE, it still shows up in the WINDOW menu, even after deleting the %$#% icon in the toolbar, etc. I know It's a "nit" but this here is a "nit picker" talking at ya.

This thing has some good improvements over 4.77, not the least of which is storing passwords locally etc. since I get stuck with a proxy that wants my name, rank and serial number damn near every time I browse a page, but I have no idea if the local encryption (an OPTION!) of the password store is good enough in any sense if I CARED about my NET passwords. As to the "My Sidebar" thingie, it is one of those things you either Love (IE Heritage?) or Hate (IE Heritage) and I'm in the camp that thinks it SUCKS screen space until turned OFF. My other gripe after 2 minutes of use was that the canned "search" links all go through NETSCAPE as a front end to searching ... If I want GOOGLE I want GOOGLE, not a Netscape encapsulation of Google.

Oh well, first shots across the bow say wait for 7.2 in my book, then they may bring back deleted features (kill popups for example) and maybe even learn how to Print?

Preface: I HATE IE 5.5 -- 6.0, but I'm still running NS 4.77, and probably will be for some time. First, installation defaults are the usual crud. I have to spend an hour or so throwing away the built-in links to NS this and NS that and AOL this and AOL that, fixing the mouse scroll wheel (it still does not seem to support the wheel-click auto-scroll mode), and although print preview is nice, I'd prefer it if printing WORKED (See comments elsewhere about printing anomalies on three-column stuff like my.yahoo.com etc.). I believe the "default" is still at 100% to cut off about 5-10 characters of each line, even if you set margins to zero! You have to check the "shrink to fit page width" box (or go landscape like you used to have to do) (and/or reset the left and right margins to 0. The screen clutter of toolbars in "classic" apparently no longer allows setting the bars to TEXT ONLY to preserve screen real estate, and even though a custom install was told NO NET2PHONE, it still shows up in the WINDOW menu, even after deleting the %$#% icon in the toolbar, etc. I know It's a "nit" but this here is a "nit picker" talking at ya.

This thing has some good improvements over 4.77, not the least of which is storing passwords locally etc. since I get stuck with a proxy that wants my name, rank and serial number damn near every time I browse a page, but I have no idea if the local encryption (an OPTION!) of the password store is good enough in any sense if I CARED about my NET passwords. As to the "My Sidebar" thingie, it is one of those things you either Love (IE Heritage?) or Hate (IE Heritage) and I'm in the camp that thinks it SUCKS screen space until turned OFF. My other gripe after 2 minutes of use was that the canned "search" links all go through NETSCAPE as a front end to searching ... If I want GOOGLE I want GOOGLE, not a Netscape encapsulation of Google.

Oh well, first shots across the bow say wait for 7.2 in my book, then they may bring back deleted features (kill popups for example) and maybe even learn how to Print?

Your user profiles are located in C:\Document and Settings\[Windows Login Name]\Mozilla on Windows XP.

Alex

If this is not related to any McAfee issues (like WebScanx) the following worked out for me:

Before starting the setup, right-click the Netscape setup file. Choose properties. On the Compatibility tab select the "Run this program in compatibility mode for:" and in the drop down list choose windows 2000. Click OK.

Now strat the intallation and it should finish without any problems. Restart your machine after the install finishes. Enjoy. I hope that this one comes to you in time, as I lost all my nerves trying to find a solution to this problem on the Net. Finally in clicked to me to try this way... and it worked. Greetz..