Salon on Mozilla

Tuesday March 12th, 2002

A number of people have submitted this article, and while it's not really news, it's just another example of how Mozilla is starting to win people over. This is also beneficial to the evangelism efforts going on.

#64 Re: Yep

by Blake <>

Thursday March 14th, 2002 9:02 PM

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>Funny, I have the History pane open right now in Mac IE 5.1 and I just did that. Click in the > gray to get the rectangle tool and select as many history entries as I like, then hit Delete. > Badabing, badaboom, all gone, bye bye

Funny, if you read my post carefully, you could have inferred that I'm on Windows. And on Windows, there is no way to do what you describe.

> Come on. Today's folder should be opened by default. How much more obvious could something be?

You didn't respond to my other point. Sure, Today should be open by default. Given that it persists folder state, can you explain why fixing that is a priority?

> What _you_ don't seem to realize is that history is made up of links, not files. You don't > double-click links to open them.

If I don't understand history, then we're really in trouble (I own the history feature). Links are in webpages, not in chrome. Even Matthew will tell you as much. As I've already stated, we offer *quick, single-click access* to history from the sidebar panel. It would not make sense to offer single click access in the *history management window* because that would make it difficult and confusing to select more than one item and do other management related functions.

> You expect detailed usability feedback from users outside the scope of a user test?

Usability tests are costly. Given that we match and extend IE's behavior here, I've seen no reason to request one of Netscape (who I work for).

And yes, to answer your question, the feedback from 6.x relese provides plenty of usability feedback. How do you respond to such a hard fact like that?

> No, spreading the same functionality out over multiple user interfaces is an objective > usability failing in most cases, including this one.

Including this one? Have you done usability tests on this? If so, please link to them. If not, then please don't slam me for not having done them either. I at least am privy to informal feedback from a considerable number of 6.x users, which, I think, is more than you can say.

> Matthew, is this the level of feedback you're used to on this project? If so, you have my > sympathy. It's hard to be that lone voice crying out in the wilderness.

The level of respect Matthew's opinions receive in this project is directly proportional to the way in which he presents them. He's not the most tactful of persons. To try to refute that, as you seem to have done knee-jerk to all my other comments, would be a waste of time, as he has admitted that as well.

I am friends with Eli. UI discussions are not why he left Netscape.