Salon on Mozilla

Tuesday March 12th, 2002

A number of people have submitted this article, and while it's not really news, it's just another example of how Mozilla is starting to win people over. This is also beneficial to the evangelism efforts going on.

#62 Re: Yep

by Blake <>

Thursday March 14th, 2002 8:32 PM

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I don't feel like getting involved in all this. You are most definitely incorrect about one point, though, and that is history management.

> As for history, however, there's no contest. It's late evening. How do you find a page you > visited early this morning in MSIE? (1) Bonk the `History' button in the toolbar. (2) Open the > server's folder (Windows), or scroll down to the morning's pages (Mac). (3) Click the item you > want. You're done.

How do you delete more than one item at a time? You don't. You right click on each item you want to delete, one at a time, dismissing the confirmation dialog that appears every single time. Don't confuse access points for history with history management, which is what Asa said.

> You can't use the Sidebar, because the History panel isn't in it by default, that's not true. It's on by default.

> (1) Open the `Tasks' menu. (Wtf is `Tasks', anyway?) (2) Go to the `Tools' *submenu*, and > choose `History'.

This will be turned into Tools for 1.0, and History will be in the top level menu. You're still confusing access points with actual management functionality. (Wasn't it you who said that anyone who wants quick access would use keyboard shortcuts, anyway?)

> (3) Click the triangle next to the folder (not the folder itself, of course) for `Today', > which is annoyingly collapsed by default.

Yeah, or double click the folder. It must be difficult for users to get this concept, since this is how it works in their Windows Explorer file manager, and in 4.x's history window.

> (5) Click -- whoops, no, *double*-click -- on the item you want. You're done, eventually.

Why is this concept so confusing to you? I don't know if you realize this, but this is how the file manager works for 99% of Windows users. In the thousands upon thousands of pieces of 6.x feedback I've read, not a single user mentioned the difficulty of our history functions.

Your comparison is deeply flawed; you're comparing apples and oranges. We offer the history sidebar panel (on by default) with nearly identical functionality to IE's *for users who want to visit sites quickly*. We offer the history management windows *for users who want to manage their history*. So let's see, we match their existing functionality and extend it with a manager they don't even offer. We win.