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Gran Paradiso Alpha 4 Available for Testing

Friday April 27th, 2007

Gran Paradiso Alpha 4 is now available for testing. New features in this development milestone of Mozilla Firefox 3 include the FUEL JavaScript library for extension developers, a redesigned Page Info window, improvements to offline application support and Gecko 1.9 bug fixes.

Several Mac OS X additions have also been made, including support for Growl notifications, improvements to the Cocoa user interface and an initial version of the Breakpad crash reporting tool.

Gran Paradiso Alpha 4 is intended for Web developers and the Mozilla testing community only, with regular end users strongly advised to stick with the stable Firefox 2 for now. Alpha releases of Firefox 3 are branded using the Gran Paradiso codename in an effort to discourage regular end users from downloading them.

The Gran Paradiso Alpha 4 Release Notes have more information and download links.

The Firefox 3 Schedule calls for two further alpha releases in May and June. Firefox 3 Beta 1 is planned for July with Beta 2 set for September. Further betas and release candidates will be made available as necessary until the final launch of Firefox 3, expected by the end of the year.

Update: Growl support was removed from Gran Paradiso Alpha 4 at the last minute because it caused a crash on computers with Growl installed (see bug 378785). Thanks to Mook for the information.


#1 Growl not in Gran Paradiso Alpha 4

by Mook

Friday April 27th, 2007 10:22 PM

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The Growl support was backed out at the last second due to it leading to crashes on startup on machines with Growl installed. It will likely make an appearance in GPa5 (or whatever), however. For more details, please refer to bug 378785.

#2 Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by 3daysaside <reber@berson3.com>

Saturday April 28th, 2007 6:28 AM

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What's the difference between Gran Paradiso and Minefield? I currently use Minefiled 3.0a4pre (or something like that), and I'm wondering which is more helpful to test?

#4 Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by schapel

Saturday April 28th, 2007 7:08 AM

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Minefield is the name given to the nightly builds, which are released without any QA work above that needed to check in patches. Gran Paradiso is the name of a nightly build that went through additional QA testing before release <<http://wiki.mozilla.org/M…adiso_Alpha_4_pre-Testday>>. It's more useful to do QA tests on Minefield builds (although to be most useful you should download new builds often), and safer to use Gran Paradiso. Now that Minefield 3.0a5pre builds are out, you should test one of those builds to be most helpful.

#5 Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by BenoitRen

Sunday April 29th, 2007 5:04 AM

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I wish more people would use Google.

#6 Re: Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by 3daysaside <reber@berson3.com>

Sunday April 29th, 2007 7:41 PM

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Do you feel better now? Has your inner-nerd got its anger fix for the day? Next time I have a question...I won't post it in a forum. I forgot that that's not what they're for.

#9 Re: Re: Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by BenoitRen

Monday April 30th, 2007 6:47 AM

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This is a basic question that has been answered several times before, and it's not courteous to waste people's time when a simple Google search would have turned up the answer.

#11 Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by voracity

Monday April 30th, 2007 5:04 PM

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Nor is it courteous to insult someone in a recreational forum (as opposed to, say, bugzilla) for raising a perfectly on-topic question that many people find far from basic. I hadn't realised that google has made all conversation redundant.

Incidentally, the simplest google searches ('gran paradiso minefield', 'gp m difference', 'gp m testing') don't tell me which one is the better to test.

#13 Re: Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by BenoitRen

Tuesday May 1st, 2007 3:34 AM

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"Nor is it courteous to insult someone in a recreational forum"

Wow, you must be quite touchy if you think I was insulting at all.

"I hadn't realised that google has made all conversation redundant."

Now you're just trolling by taking it to the extreme.

"Incidentally, the simplest google searches ('gran paradiso minefield', 'gp m difference', 'gp m testing') don't tell me which one is the better to test."

True. My beef was with the first question.

#12 Complaining

by schapel

Monday April 30th, 2007 8:01 PM

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Not to mention that you've wasted more of people's time than the original question and answer did in the first place with your complaining. Ironic, isn't it? Also, it doesn't give Mozilla a good reputation for its representatives to have such a short temper with basic questions. I remember you yourself have asked some basic questions in your time, right?

If you find people are asking the same questions over and over again, put the answer in a FAQ somewhere and point to that. You can do it in such a way that neither wastes nearly as much time nor gives such a bad impression of Mozilla folks, and it even implies in a relatively polite way that the original asker probably could have found the answer on his own if he'd looked.

#14 Re: Complaining

by jgl

Tuesday May 1st, 2007 6:06 AM

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Microsoft has 1000's of MVP around the internet who will answer the same question relentlessly, time after time without a rude RTFM type response. People love it and they buy in.

#15 Re: Re: Complaining

by Lyx

Tuesday May 1st, 2007 1:11 PM

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"It is popular and users like it, so it must be better"

Google for "argument ad populum", idiot. You also may want to educate yourself about how a world with limited resources works - you know, people are supposed to learn as childs that you cannot spent more than you earn - apparently, some didnt learn about that. Oh and, while you're at it - also google for "how to ask questions the smart way".

#16 Re: Re: Re: Complaining

by jgl

Tuesday May 1st, 2007 1:59 PM

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"It is popular and users like it, so it must be better"

Now where did you quote that from?

"Google for "argument ad populum", idiot."

My point... which you missed... (but have further backed up) was that we should be nicer and help anyone with moz questions no matter how much they are asked.

#19 Name Calling

by schapel

Wednesday May 2nd, 2007 9:17 AM

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You may want to educate yourself about how a world where you depend on others works - people are supposed to learn as children that you should be nice and not call others names - apparently, some didn't learn about that, either.

#17 Re: Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by johann_p

Wednesday May 2nd, 2007 4:37 AM

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Maybe you forgot: you are free to not answer questions here that could be answered with Google. If there is anything more superfluous than asking a question that could be answered by Google it is to answer it with "use Google" or "I wish more people would use Google". BTW, the kind people who actually answered the question here will probably help not only the original person but several others who might have had the same question and do not need to do the research themselves. Your answer, on the other help, helps nobody, except your own ego.

#18 Re: Re: Re: Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by LopsidedJoe

Wednesday May 2nd, 2007 5:50 AM

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"BTW, the kind people who actually answered the question here will probably help not only the original person but several others who might have had the same question and do not need to do the research themselves."

I'm one of those people, and after downloading the latest Minefield build the question arose for me. There was no mention of it on the beta testing page. I found the initial question and answer most useful.

#3 Difference between GPa4 and Minefield?

by 3daysaside <reber@berson3.com>

Saturday April 28th, 2007 6:58 AM

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What's the difference between Gran Paradiso and Minefield? I currently use Minefiled 3.0a4pre (or something like that), and I'm wondering which is more helpful to test?

#7 How do we provide owner identity?

by jabcreations

Sunday April 29th, 2007 11:01 PM

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How do we provide owner identity for our sites? Also will we see sort by type in the Page Info (Media (Tab)) get fixed and work for Firefox 3?

- John

#8 Nightly link

by sremick

Monday April 30th, 2007 6:29 AM

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I really wish there was a link on the FTP server to the latest nightly that the name of which never changed. Currently it is at:

<http://ftp.mozilla.org/pu…-3.0??pre.en-US.win32.zip>

Where ?? is the # of the next alpha/beta/whatnot.

I have a batch file I've scripted to automatically update my installed copy and every time they come out with a new alpha or beta, the ?? part bumps up a number so I have to fix my script. It'd be so much better if there was simply a firefox-3.0-en-US.win32.LATEST.zip link or something.

#10 crash boom bang

by anonym

Monday April 30th, 2007 8:19 AM

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This has happened to me with all previous 3.0 Minefields and Paradisos, so I'm beginning to worry: I installed it parallelly to Fx2 and ran it with a fresh profile. It started opening the release notes and crashed after half a second. Safe mode: same. After reboot: same. (Xp SP2 on AMD64, no Windows firewall, no preloader or other Mozilla stuff running.) Anybody else experience this?

#20 Minefield are "nightly" builds

by 4td8s

Sunday May 20th, 2007 8:20 AM

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"What's the difference between Gran Paradiso and Minefield? I currently use Minefiled 3.0a4pre (or something like that), and I'm wondering which is more helpful to test?"

the Minefield releases are nightly builds, Gran Paradiso is not.

#21 Re: Name Calling

by 4td8s

Sunday May 20th, 2007 8:26 AM

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"Not to mention that you've wasted more of people's time than the original question and answer did in the first place with your complaining. Ironic, isn't it? Also, it doesn't give Mozilla a good reputation for its representatives to have such a short temper with basic questions. I remember you yourself have asked some basic questions in your time, right?

If you find people are asking the same questions over and over again, put the answer in a FAQ somewhere and point to that. You can do it in such a way that neither wastes nearly as much time nor gives such a bad impression of Mozilla folks, and it even implies in a relatively polite way that the original asker probably could have found the answer on his own if he'd looked."

well said, schapel. BenoitRen and Lyx are being UNprofessional and immature with some of their comments here and need to take more responsibility for their foolish comments.