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Mozilla Branches for 0.9.8

Wednesday January 23rd, 2002

mozilla.org today branched for Mozilla Milestone 0.9.8, as well as opened the tree for 0.9.9 checkins. Look for branch builds to start sometime later this week, as early as tomorrow. (While a certain site believes that without builds, you can't have a branch, that is not true.) Pre-0.9.9 trunk builds will start tomorrow, or possibly tonight. See our earlier story for what's new in 0.9.8.


#58 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT: Mozilla Logo

by JayeshSh <JayeshSh@netscape.net>

Monday January 28th, 2002 1:09 PM

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Macpeep,

I think you are confusing several issues:

1)This site's message-database is sometimes unresponsive ("bandwith problems").

2.)This site sometimes displayes incorrectly - both in Mozilla (with the page squeezed to one third of its proper size; this problem also makes typing the talback )textarea) formfields difficult) and in other browsers (Internet Explorer and Opera.)

3.)Whether it is okay to post messages which are inflammatory, sarcastic, or which attribute blame to a specific person (or persons) for bugs / lack of features in either Mozilla or Mozillazine.

In the first case, I think the "Bandwith problems" have been largely resolved, thus leading the "unable to select database" to occure much infrequently than previously.

In the second case - the Mozillazine site does/did not display correctly in Internet Explorer - don't forget that there are page display errors in Mozilla too. Also, a couple things to keep in mind about Mozillazine specifically and webdesign in general: firstly Mozillazine is run by only a couple of people (Jason (kerz) and Asa, if I understand correctly) and secondly, creating an interactive website which works for most browsers and platforms is really, really tedious and time-consuming. If you put the two of these points together, you'll see what I mean: Mozillazine is a volunteer site with limited human resources, and has to support high traffic, and a whole community users, each of whom has his or her idea about how the site should look and how Mozilla should behave. Looking at what Mozillazine adds to the Mozilla community and development process, I'd say that it hardly a waste of my time to participate in discussions here. If the site is unresponsive or if the pages show up squeezed to the left, I just press Reload, and most of the time that solves the problem.

As far as Strauss' comments go: his post was not written with the aim of objectively expressing his difficulties with the site. It was a subjective post, and while explaining that the site did not work, also implied that the site was not worth using (i.e. was *unusable*). Think about that for a second. I think the site is very usuable, since pressing reload solves most of the problems. Additionally, implying that he would never come back to Mozillazine because of a temporary problem was short-sighted at best, and incendiary and embodied non-constructive critcism, when looked at in the worst possible light.

None of us pay any subscription fees to take part in Mozillazine. Why should we expect that it works as reliably as a commercial service? And no one is compelled to take part in this site or in the Mozilla community. Participation from all seems to be welcomed here, but this is not forced upon anyone. And as far as Mozilla's market share is concerned - I think you are bringing in an irrelevant issue here: this is not about how many people use Mozilla. It is about what we expect from Mozillazine and what it means to be a constructive member of the Mozilla community.

It is important to be able to examine ourselves critically (and to be aware of our mistaked), yet I fail to see how anyone could find great fault with the people who run Mozillazine, since it a site run voluntarily, without commercial support, and with limited resources.

In short, please be patient, and please try to understand what I mean by *constructive criticism.*

Thanks!

- Jayesh