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Tuesday January 8th, 2002

A few of you have asked for us to post a news item taking your suggestions for the site, so here it is. Tell us all your ideas for what we can do to improve the site. Anything you want we'll think about, but try to keep it realistic.

Just to keep you updated, one of the things we're planning on working on is getting the ChromeZone up again, if we can find some volunteer editors to help organize themes. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to you sometime this week.

UPDATE! Right now we're working on dumping all the tables and other old HTML within the site to both show off Mozilla's skills, and to get our file sizes smaller. If you're using Communicator to view the site, you'll notice everything looking pretty ugly, thanks to the poor CSS support it offers. If you're using IE, it'll look a bit better, but thanks to IE's lacking CSS2 support, the sidebar will show up incorrectly. We've completely redone the homepage and talkback code, and we'll be working on the forums next.

UPDATE 2! We discovered Google's great "Search Site" feature, and have added it. Right now it has most areas of the site indexed except news item talkback pages. It will start indexing talkback today, and will hopefully add all of the old items, in addition to picking up the new ones.

UPDATE 3! We've been working hard to get as many of your suggestions as possible implemented, and we encourage you to continue the feedback. You can check this article's responses for what items we have fixed, or are working on.


#51 Re: Re: What does adding a DOCTYPE do?

by SubtleRebel <mark@ky.net>

Friday January 11th, 2002 11:11 AM

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In a lot of cases, it seems like specifying the DOCTYPE really does not make it much more likely that existing browsers will render a page properly. I do not know exactly which versions of which browsers support which specs; nor do I know all of the exact diferences between the various specs. However, based on what I do know, the following would seem to be true.

Assume you design your webpages with strict 100% adherence to a specific HTML spec :

1) Rendering by browsers that do not even recognize DOCTYPE will be uneffected by its presence or lack thereof.

2) Whether or not you specify a DOCTYPE, browsers that do not have 100% support for that HTML spec will not render everything exactly right.

3) Whether or not you specify a DOCTYPE, if you strictly use the most recent specs then browsers that support those specs will render everything correctly, but other browsers will not render correctly.

(Hmm, I just realized that if the specs say you must specify a DOCTYPE, then I guess you could not adhere 100% to the specs without specifying one. So where I said 100% in the above example, I guess I meant everything except that one part that say DOCTYPE is required.)

4) If your webpages use an outdated spec and your browser uses a newer spec that specifies that specific HTML be handled differently than it was handled previously, then it would be important to specify that you are using an outdated spec.

Therefore it seems like it is only important to specify a DOCTYPE when your code does not adhere to current specs or if you are using current specs but do not plan to update your pages to the next gen of specs when they come out.

If anyone can provide scenarios that I have ignored here, I would appreciate it.